Here’s how it will work: $600 a day for the largest salmon and $600 a day for the largest trout, one winning fish per day per boat. Salmon minimum weight would be 20 lbs, Lake trout 15 lbs, Rainbow steelhead 13 lbs and brown trout 10 lbs. This way all trout will be competitive. For example: If a 12 lb brown trout were entered, it would take a 17.01 lake trout to beat it. Any problems with the math contact me.

I am staying with the $600 figure because at that amount I would not have to issue 1099 forms, besides depending on what your tax bracket is you can pay up to 40%. Because carryovers are in effect you would receive a 1099 if you win more than $600. Checks will be mailed on a weekly basis. As a side note all 2009 1099 forms from the LOC will be mailed before the end of the month.

For 2010 this event will run concurrently with the Summer Derby June 19th July 18th 2010 and coincides with the last two pro-ams and will utilize the LOC weigh in stations, hours and rules. (Other than the minimums described above.) This way it will not put too great of an additional burden on the stations. IF YOU ARE SUBMITTING FISH FOR CONSIDERATION IN THE LOC SUMMER DERBY, ALL RULES, SUCH AS ALL MEMBERS MUST BE ENTERED WOULD HAVE TO BE FOLLOWED. So yes you could win in both.

The price for entry is $600 for USCG registered captains and $300 for non-captains and this covers everyone on the boat. If anyone on the boat is a past or present captain, the $600 would be in effect. Checks and 1099’s will be sent to the person who registers and any distribution of funds to fishing partners is the responsibility of that person. The weigh in station that weighs each of the daily fish will collect $25.

Go-no-go of this event will be May 15th and if not enough entries are received to cover the event, it would be cancelled. Do NOT send any money at this time. Please send an email as a letter of intent to participate in this event to locderby@aol.com. Once enough letters of intent are received we will collect the fees. Any additional entries received after that date will go to cash prizes at the end.

If all goes well we can look forward to expanding this event in 2011. Please post any questions in this forum so all can see. Thanks and looking forward to an exciting 2010 season.

Dave Chilson

Dave,
I don't understand the trout thing, well, I do, but not sure if that will fly. Is it really $600.00 to enter for Captain? If it is, won't do it. Trying to figure out how much $ people should be giving me and if after........... to complicted for my simple mind. Maybe I'm missing something here. If I am, please let me know.

"The weigh in station that weighs each of the daily fish will collect $25."
Does the entrant pay this fee for each fish weighed in, or just for their winning fish, or is it paid by the derby and does it come out of the $600.
Sure does sound interesting.
Seems to me that overlapping with the summer derby is sorta duplicating efforts, having it during a time when nothing else is going on might attract those that could only fish during that time and would miss the regular derbies because of other commitments but would still like to take a chance of lightning striking.
Thank You for your efforts.

Scott,

I can imagine some captains might use it as a promotion, where their customers could win $600 to offset the cost of the trip and if the captain went fishing for themselves, keep the cash. Also they could charge them each $25 bucks or some fee, and if they declined again keep the money for themselves. Or possibly never mention it and when they get to the dock offer to weigh their fish in and just keep the cash. Not sure exactly what goes on in every charter captains mind! I'm sure there are other options I haven't even considered.....

As far as the trout thing goes I wanted to make it fair for everyone along the lake. I went over many past events and this would keep it on a more even keel. I know a few lake trout fishermen on the west end who could turn this into a full time job and everyone would get real tired of reading their boat names.

Janz,

The derby would take care of the fee and it would come out of the entrants fee. And yes it was overlapping for a reason. It's already set and by adding this event will not require more days of derby fishing for the weigh stations. I know it's hard to believe but it can be quite stressful and long for all parties involved. By the end of the Fall Derby I swear there are weigh stations that want to choke me. Extended hours, my constant checking of procedures, entrants and can be daunting for all parties involved. After this event we can reveiw with the weigh stations their concerns and address them.

What happened with the first "Per day" event was it got out of hand and promises were made that could't be kept. Cheating went through the roof, people weren't paid and a black eye was given to the event and derbies in general. I want to keep that from happening again.

Yes there are some dead times but in this economic climate it would be unwise to try and draw during those times. Late May and early June have historically been slow, both fishing and tourism wise. Don't know it you remember but during the $1000 a day derby there were many carryovers at that time, and got to 5 figures. For this reason a couple of years ago I cut back the Summer Derby on the front end by a month. There wasn't the draw, fishing was slow, kids were getting out of school, crazy people are getting married etc. If interest is there having it after the summer and/or prior to the fall event would be the way I would go.

Dave Chilson

I'm in hope it flys. There is nothing like burning gas to win gas money

I am in as well...Boat name to follow, we are going to purchase a new ride before spring.

Now please do not beat me to bad but I just want to get some clarification:

1) The Spring, Summer and Fall LOC Derby's will remain in tact with same entry fees and rules, Correct?

2) The $1200/day event is in addition to the Spring, Summer and Fall Derby's , Correct?

3) As a non Captain my entry fee for my boat is $300.00 which covers the $25 weigh in fee, Correct?

4) This event has nothing to do with the $1000/day event that was announced last night, Correct?

I appologize for the questions but I want to be sure what I am reading.

Shade

So if I were to enter as a non-captain I would have to pay $600 in the event a captain MIGHT be fishing with me on MY boat at some time?

You are correct. Also, I have to pay $600 for being a captain. I'm not that cocky to think that their are Many non-charter boats out there that might kick my a$@ and they pay half price? Is it boat size, # of trips or what? I can also see $ issues w/ what I should charge my buddies to fish in the tourny w/ me and if about 2 weeks down the road 2 new guys want to fish do I need to recalculate the $ and give some back to the others? Sorry Dave, I would love to support this, but I won't. The k.i.s.s. theory is out the door on this one.

sounds pretty dooable and the min weight is a good way to keep a lot of 12,13 lb lakers alive and the steelies too(below 13 for the reolinda folks) the charter idea is a good wy to put some extra bucks in a trip win or not,,10 bucks a head x 4 per tripx 20 charter trips=800 for the year then the capt and crew are in for free with a little gas money to boot for a few fun trips on the slow days...............Musky were gonna have to make Mike ride behind in a tube if he wants to go. ops nick too...I guess the biggest downside is the lakers as a general rule most of us would never keep a big laker or any at all except 1 guy i know. I know the extra time and effort by the weighin sta. must be a pain and im shure you talked to them in prethinking this...But would they be ok with us calling in from the lake for up dates ONLY IF YOU CATCH A DERBY WEIGHT FISH that way maybe instead of 5 guys showing up with a 17 lb laker a phone call could give a properly released fish or more a second chance when there is already a 18 lbr in for the day. I know extra calls would be a pain ESPECIALLY IF GUYS MISSUSE THIS SERVICE JUST TO SEE HOW THE DERBY IS GOING,.but that could allow for easy cheating as someone could ice a fish and weighin the next day hoping for there fish to hold out the next day...it would be nice to see all the rules in play how this cheating can be prevented or minamized.

Shade,

Yes to questions 1-4

Muskybob,

Yes, but you should be charging those Charter captains when you teach them to fish.

Scott,

When I was first approached the fee that was suggested for Charter Captains was $1200! Glad I didn't take that advice.....As you are well aware there are many people who have a USCG license from those who take their buddies and very few if any payiing clients to those who take a majority of clients. Not sure where you fit in but this was more geared towards the latter. Thanks for your question and I'm sorry if this is unworkable for you.

Dave Chilson

Dave,

Congratulations on the launch of the new tournament! I think the idea of having a trout division with minimum weights is excellent! The Big-O too often gets overshadowed when it comes the trophy class trout fishery we have here. This tournament could help give others a reason to put away the salmon sticks for a day and try for something else they might not have otherwise considered fishing for. Plus, I spend most of time aboard the Runnin’-Rebel-Brown-Trout-Machine so this tournament is right up our alley! Looking forward to participating!

Maybe we need to do a poll. I have received some calls and emails in regard to USCG captains and I guess it may pertain to the previous post from ScottB. I wasn't aware of how many people that hold a USCG license and don't actually take paying clients. Should these people be placed in the same category as active charter businesses? Opinions please.

Dave Chilson

great idea, dave. perfect for people in my situation.whether licenced captains pay twice as much or not i'm definately in. hope it works out.

Wow, you would never know we were in a recession . If I had $600 TO waste I'd find a better place to put it. I guess your pricing use poor folks out. Oh it doesn't make sense to me to put up $600 to win $600.

Yes WWIV, if you are a Charter Captain who has no customers and is only going to fish one day over the 30 days of the event, I agree it would be a waste of your money. For those that still may confused, It's $36,000 over 30 days and you can win once per day. There are two prizes every day, $600 for the largest salmon and $600 for the largest trout, as per weights described in the first post. If you were really good you could win $18,000.

Some more math, if you are not a charter captain it costs $10 a day for the thirty days. ($300 enty fee) You can win $600 PER DAY. So in essence you are paying $10 each day to win $600. Charter Captains pay twice as much $600 enty fee or $20 per day to win $600. If no one enters a fish meeting the minimum requirements the amount is carried over to the following day, making it $1200 and so on. And before someone asks, there is no daily entry.

As individuals you will have to make the decision if this is right for you or not.