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Mac 10...i sent you a pm.
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what pount test do you guys normally run when trolling J plugs? Any leaders? Any favorite colors? Thanks.
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I used to fish dodgers and flies off of the kayak on wire line. I used Jensen 8" dodgers with no problems, however, I did find it much easier to use two combos on either side of the kayak to balance out the resistence from the wire line and weight, not the dodger. Sep's fishing tackle makes mini dodgers and other ultralite trolling gear that would work well in your situation.
As far as downriggers and weights, I did not feel comfortable in deploying larger weights from the kayak. It is a balancing game and it only takes one lean this way or that way to end up in the drink. Not too much of a problem in the summer but could be deadly in early spring with cold water temps. Up here in NJ we have a one or two people die each year falling into fridged waters and succumbing to hyopthermia. Balance out your kayak on either side and you should be fine.
In addition, I found it easier to control wire line outfits than downriggers, as if the depth increased I simply let out more line. If the depth decreased, it was easy to reel up some wire and still make a paddle stroke. No having to adjust the downrigger weight and the line out from the rod and reel. If you so choose, some companies make small portable downriggers that will readily attach to rod holder mounts. A 3 to 4 lb ball is all that should be needed from a kayak. Unless fishing deep open water, I preferred to use deep diving plugs, spoons or the wire line gear.
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Funny you mentioned my name as I used to do quite a lot of kayak fishing a few years back. In fact, I even used to troll wire off of my kayak for lakers. As far as lures go, there are two type of trout fishing that I did from kayaks....fishing for large, open water species and fishing for smaller stocked fish in small lakes and ponds. For larger species I like trolling Storm Baby Thundersticks and Deep Baby Thundersticks. Depending on the water depth you can also troll weighted spoons but floating diving lures are much easier from a kayak. Now if I was fishing smaller lakes and ponds where the fish average a few pounds, with an occasional lunker, I would troll smaller spoons such as an Acme Fiord spoon or Kastmaster as well as Cotton Cordell's Wee Shads, Rapala floating minnows and husky jerks along with Small rebel minnows. These smaller baits seem to match what the trout prefer in the smaller ponds and lakes. I like 4 to 6 lb test clear mono when trolling or casting in the smaller lakes and ponds and move up to 8 or 10 for larger areas or larger fish. Check out www.kayakfishingstuff.com. It has a lot of good information regarding kayak fishing and guys that are very willing to help. Good luck and be safe.
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What size divers are you most commonlyly using?
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I hate to mention this in a public forum but the truth is that originally our party consisted of four individuals, two of whom backed out during the process of making lodging reservations. It was our original intention to book a charter but now working with a limited budget has stretched our funds a bit thin. Believe me, I do not believe I can do a better job catching fish in Lake Ontario than those who fish these waters professionally, but it looks like it is the route we have to take at this time. That is why i have been asking so many questions regarding the Sodus Point area and fishing Lake Ontario in general. Again, I thank all of those who have helped me with my numerous questions. It is greatly appreciated.
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Thank you Capt. I'm eager to give the J-plugs a try.
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Thanks L&M. I hear what you're saying. It seems there are SO many different techniques and patterns utilized on Lake Ontario that one could drive themselves nuts trying to figure it all out. I figured I will employ some of the techniques I have utilized in the past here in NJ while also trying to see what the current conditions call for once we arrive. I'm sure my father-in-law and I will spend some time in the local tackle shop trying to put together a successful pattern. Thanks again.
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Thanks Tom. Well I'm only headed up to Lake Ontario in May and figured stickbaits and spoons might work better. I may toy with J-plugs down here in NJ for lake trout. Not sure if they'll work but I figure I can run a large one or two and see if I can hook a trophy. Since we don't have salmon down here and I don't think I'll get up to the Big Lake that often, a J-plug or two may be expendable for a little experimentation. We also have some browns down here but I've been hearing stickbaits work better on them than J-plugs.
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J-plugs....when do you break them out and start putting them in the pattern? In readings across the internet, they appear to be a lure that works well trolled at faster speeds. During the early season would you put J-plugs in the spread or wait until later, such as in the summer? Also what about size? Smaller J-plugs in the spring and larger in the summer?
Recently I just picked up a few used J-plugs that I reconditioned and would eventually like to use. Down here in Jersey, the smaller size should do well but I have a few of the small, medium and larger sizes. Since I never have used these plugs before, I'm curious what others think and when they use them. Thanks.
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Right now we're planned on staying put, but if we have a tough fishing day we may wake up extra early and take a ride. Thanks.
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Thanks guys. It seems that everyone and their brother is mentioning the Niagara Bar but with the limited information I had before I booked our trip, Sodus Bay and Sodus Point seemed to be our best option. I had seen a few TV shows on the Niagara Bar before and those shows had larger 25-30 ft boats rocking up and down. Now again, since we are headed up there with our 16ft aluminum boat, I didn't want to go somewhere where we weren't able to launch and fish or be in the way of other larger boats trolling in the area. Unfortunately, the Bar really sounds like the place to be but if we have bad weather May 16-18, we may be able to salvage the trip by staying in Sodus Bay and fishing for bass, pike or whatever else will hit. Others have suggested we should trailer our boat and launch at the Bar if weather permits, but that's an additional 2 hours west, which would be cutting our fishing time approximately 4 hours. For better or worse, I think we are stuck with our decision to fish the Sodus Bay area. Hopefully with the information I continue to gather here, we might be able to pull off a successful trip catching trout and a salmon or two. Thanks again guys for all of your help. It is truly appreciated.
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Thanks for the info. I have a wire line rig but I have only used it fishing for lakers in thumper rod fashion. I'll have to do more research on the dipseys and maybe I'll pick up a couple. Thanks.
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I've never used dipseys. I never felt confident in knowing exactly how deep my lures were when setting out a dipsey. I likes the ideas of the dipsey taking the lure out to the side of the boat, but there seem to be so many variables such as current, baot speed, line diameter, etc.
As far as the stacking on riggers go, that's for NJ where they have no limit on rods per angler. Figured i could use it at the local reservoirs.
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How about Lake Ontario coho's? Are they prevalent or just a random catch? Seems they strike smaller lures than the chinooks and I was wondering what my chances are of coming across them in the spring? Thanks
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In the small aluminum boat my father-in law owns the downriggers are mounted facing out to the side, as opposed to off the back of the boat. If I were to stack two rods off of one downrigger, would you put the deeper of the two rods in the rod holder nearest to the stern or in the rod holder nearest to the bow? Not sure if it makes much difference but in trying to address the easiest way to avoid tangles, I figured the deeper of the two rods should be placed in the rear rod holder and the higher of the two rods in the front.
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Again, it's a darn shame that people have nothing better to do than send viruses. Hopefully they will get it all starighten out over there in the near future.
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I'll take three of the 47's and three of the heartland rods.
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This thread gets me thinking about Cabela's series rods as well. I have to pick up two Diawa Sealine 47LC combos which average from $110 to $130 bucks. Althought this shouldn't determine the purchase, I have a $25 off card for Cabelas and was looking at the Diawa 47LC paired up with one of their downrigger rods. The only thing is I like to handle the rod and see the action and butt diameter before I make a purchase. I looked at some other rods at Gander Mt but they seemed way too large and bulky for what I would use 95% of the time. I'm thinking that something in the 12-20lb test line and 8 1/2' is what I'm looking at. I ordered some lighter Diawa Diawa Firewolf rods and paired them up with Penn 9M's for trout trolling here in NJ. Now I just need to get two larger setup's for Lk Ontario salmon, but again I don't want something too large and bulky, cause I won't use it at any of the lakes I normally fish.
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Wow, will the GLA site ever be back up? Darn shame that it's down but good thing the LOUnited is here.
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I know this isn't the exact answer you are looking for but I bought a Gander Mt. Guide Series muskie rod a few years back and it has done a good job in holding up under casting and trolling conditions. I too was looking at a guide series planer board rod and would buy another Gander Mt rod at this time.
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Thanks guys. Really appreciate the info. For my first time up, I want to try and learn as much as I can about basic patterns and techniques utilized during the spring and obtain the fine details once we arrive. I'm really looking forward to the trip in May. Thanks again.
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My name is Philip Metz and I live in NJ and work in CT. I'm 32 years old and have been fishing since I was about 7 or 8 years old. I grew up on a river fishing for carp and catfish and later smallmouth and pike. I've owned inflatable rafts, kayaks, canoes, jon boats, aluminum v-hulls and a center console for ocean fishing. Got out of fishing for a few years after my father past away but I'm back stronger than ever, fishing most weekends from spring to early fall. While I don't currently own a boat, my girlfriend's father pick up a used 16 foot aluminum Starcraft boat last year, which had seen better days. During the spring, we transformed the boat into a fine fishing machine for the lakes and reservoirs here in NJ. We'll be making our first trip up to Lake Ontario this May in an attempt to troll for browns and chinooks. Looking forward to getting up there and giving it a shot.
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I didn't access my computer this weekend and I can't seem to find my original post under the new format.
My original question was, I plan on heading up to the Sodus Point area, May 16-18 in an attempt to troll for brown trout. I figures the majority of the time I would be trolling stickbaits off of planer boards. My thought was that as the sun came up (mid-day), I might try a bit deeper depth in an attempt to try and catch a chinook or two. I have read about dodgers and flies, J-plugs and spoons, but was wondering what should be my game plan during mid-may to try and catch a chinook? What lures or rigs should I be pulling during this time period? How about the size of the lure (2"-3", 3"-4", etc)? What about speed?
This will be my very first trip up to Lake Ontario and while our main target are the browns, it would be thrilling to catch a chinook or two. Just want to make sure I'm using proven techniques to catch them during the spring. Wouldn't want to be pulling dodger and flies at a fast rate of speed only to find out that that particular bite doesn't heat up until late summer. Any insight would be greatly appreciated. Thanks guys.
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Where is the boat located? Any pics available?