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rail bird

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  1. So, the fleas stick to your line and lures and gum up the eyes on the rod and the reels? What's the deal with using 30#, is the diameter just big enough that they can't attach to it?

    That's pretty much it. Not the lure's so much, just the line and when they are thick you can not reel in your line because it is so gummed up. There are more than one kind of flea. There is a kind that is big enough to hang onto the 30 lb test. Some times moving to a different area helps.

  2. Welcome to the site. Soon as you run into them you will know what they are. They are a big pain in the A**. Some days and places they are worse than others. I use 30 lb mono for my downrigger rods and if you run dipsy divers you need wire once the fleas are out. If they are really bad I run cortland flea flicker line which has a different shape to it. I don't like running it but if fleas clog the 30lb which they can sometimes, flea flicker goes on.

  3. A good way to target browns in the summer is to find where the thermocline intesects with the bottom. If the thermocline is at 40 feet in general Browns will be around that area. They like to travel along that intersect to look for food. In general you want lower light conditions for those depths as they will get a little shy in high sun. I tend to run longer leeds off the riggers, 30 - 50 feet and most often run green or watermelon spoons. I keep the speed up a little higher and try to follow the intersect until I find pods of bait. If I have a blank screen I head for deeper water. At times I will run a spin doctor/fly off a rigger if the spoons don't work. You don't have to bounce the balls on the bottom. I like to run 5 and 10 feet off the bottom. Add free sliders and you get cohos and steelhead to.

    Good Luck

  4. It all depends on the length of time you are talking about.

    Speed = distance travelled/units of time.

    If you drive your boat from Rochester to Oswego with your down rigger out, the ball is going to get there the same time you are + or - the length of cable.

    If you are making a turn into the wind and there is an underwater current you will have instantanious changes in speed and for that period of time your ball will be faster or slower than the boat. It's just like whipping a water skier around. If you are keeping a straight course your ball eventually has to travel at the same speed as the boat +/- the length of cable. Your ball can not travel at a different speed than the boat forever if the cable is kept at the same length. The longer the cable the more likely your ball will be moving at a different speed than the boat.

  5. Do you have an A B switch on the boat? I would move the batteries up front, mount the A B switch in the back and not extend the motor circuits. As others have said be careful of the Wire Guage and truth be told you should be using tinned Marine Wire as copper wire will corrode.

    I bought some wire from these guys last year and had a good experiance.


  6. I don't really think you need a topo map for the oak. There is very little structure so it is mostly about temprature. The only real structure of interest starts about a mile East of the breakwall. There is a hump that gos from about 20 fow to 40 fow real fast. Then following a path a little to the east there is a ridge that goes from 40 to 50 fow for about a mile or two. Some times it is worth fishing that structure some times it is waste of time. The water is very warm in there now so most activity is out in 100 fow or plus.

    In August there are two ways to fish the Oak. The near shore program is mostly east of the wall. Most days you will see a train of boats working west to east at 90 to 120 FOW, then about 5 miles down they will turn around and head back. This is fishing for staging kings and you want to fish low and slow. Flasher and flys, Mag spoons or cut bait all near the bottom.

    The second way is to go off shore. On most days there will be a number of boats way off shore and you can just seek out the depth they are at. This is the area where the thermocline is moving up from deeper water. Run higher and faster with spoons and spin Docs /fly combos for steelhead and teenage kings.

    You never have to go too far east or west at the Oak in August. Fish north and south, sometimes the off shore fish are way out so be carefull if you have to go out there. I would jump on board with you but I am busy the next three weekends. If you ever go out after work send me a PM.

  7. You have to get a signal from your probe to the boat. A coated cable conducts the signal through the cable to your dashboard readout. The fishawk transmits the signal from the probe to a transducer on the hull, (like a fish finder).

    The main advantage to a Fish Hawk is that it is easy to put on or remove the probe. I do not run a probe in shallow water so I like it for that reason but there are several downsides, like interference with some fish finders, putting a tranducer on the hull, bouncy readings and poor battery life in the older units.

    I hate to sound stupid, but what exactly is coated cable. Why does it need to be coated? and what is it coated with? Where do you find it?

    Does anyone else have an opinion on the Moor unit versus the Fish Hawk?

  8. Speed and temp at the ball is nice to have but if you don't have the cash don't feel like there is no other way to tell what is going on down below. Watch your rod tips and rigger cables to indicate how things are running. Some people use a thumper rod. If one cable is going one way and the other, another you know you have a current. I watch my rod tips for the lure action on spoons.

  9. Forget the planer boards for now.

    You can run all spin doctors if you want. Some guys think it's best to run all the same kind of spoon or spinner because different presentations work best at different speeds. But you also have to know what presentation is working so starting out with a mix until you take hits on something is also a good way to go.

    You might want to cut down to a 4 rod spread if you are having trouble with tangles. You have to make sure what you are running is running right. Tangles and spoons spinning out of control will stop you from catching fish. 4 dipsey rods can be tough to manage on some days.

    I would say you are running the opposite of what most people run in that the spin docs and fly go on the diver rods and the spoons go on the riggers to start.

    Good Luck

  10. I used to run stackers but I got tangled up so much I think it hurt my fishing. I now run 2 riggers with free sliders and do much better. Just take a 5 foot length of mono and put A swivel at each end. I like to use a smaller lighter spoon on the slider after you have set the depth of your down rigger snap the swivel onto the line and toss the spoon in the water. Make sure it does not tangle. It will slide down to the bow of your main line. Do the same for the other side at a little different depth and you are all set.

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