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Huh? You originally said there was only one way to install the collar , either up or down. Pelt hunter explains it perfectly. I think this thread needs a rest. Good luck hunting


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Sorry Chris but you are wrong. Watch the video from Rage. The Pedal is supposed to lock the blade in place to keep the blade in place during flight. The collar is meant to break away on impact. If you line it up in the slots, the blades will deploy during flight. Google Rage crossbow broad heads and watch.


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22 minutes ago, PeltHunter said:

That’s not necessarily true (not implying that you had them wrong). The original rage used just the o ring, the last generation used just the slip cam, the new ones use both for whatever reason. When you align the slip cam the “petals” are supposed to be centered over the lips on the blades. If they’re lined up with the slits between the pedals it can cause issues with the blades deploying. If the slip cam did not allow the blades to fully deploy then the hair could’ve got in there and locked them up further. You’d have to imagine that with as fast as that arrow is moving from an xbow and the energy behind it that the hair would not have time to stop the blades from deploying (never had a problem like that with a compound). Not saying your wrong, stranger things have happened, just playing devils advocate.


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100% correct - excellent explanation and post

42 minutes ago, GAMBLER said:

The collar only keeps the O ring from expanding and keeps the blades from expanding during flight. It breaks away on impact. There is only two ways to install it. Right side up or up side down. There is no aligning it.

 

 

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you are wrong - see pelt hunter above. There's a proper way to install the collar

FYI - I shoot Muzzy fixed 100grains and have no affiliation with Rage whatsoever, but it's important to install the collar correctly otherwise the blades won't deploy properly

The hair was not allowing the blades to move. Once I cleaned the hair out of the blades they worked.


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They were brand new out of the package.


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1 hour ago, GAMBLER said:

Last night over at Gators land, I shot a doe with my crossbow. We found her after crawling around the woods finding pin drops of blood. I have been shooting the Rage broadheads for three years now. After examining the broadhead, hair jammed the blades and kept them from opening. They opened less than a quarter of the way. I am going to fixed blade broadheads. Anyone have a good recommendation for a good fixed blade broadhead??


 
 
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Curious - how did you have the shock collar aligned?

39 minutes ago, strutnrut62 said:

Hard to track a deer when the blood gets covered with snow then melts. Off tracked him for couple hundred yards so far and bloods completely gone since the snow. Grid searching everything now


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On my buck I killed on Monday I hit it about 4" back and was nervous of a gut shot so I called deer search right away. They gave me lots of pointers including:

1.) try and avoid stepping all over the deer trail and the blood trail as it interferes with the dogs tracking.

2.) wait 8 hours minimum if you think you gut shot it and back out, back out, back out. Otherwise you are going to push him 2 counties over

3.) mark the trail with survey tape, toilet paper to get an idea of how he's running

4.) Call them early, leave a message and give them as much info on the shot as they might not be able to get back to you right away

Even though I recovered my deer an hour later and only 40 yards from where I hit him (liver shot, slight diaphragm cut and severing the hepatic artery), they were incredibly helpful and willing to give me all the advice I needed.

19 minutes ago, strutnrut62 said:

Hard to track a deer when the blood gets covered with snow then melts. Off tracked him for couple hundred yards so far and bloods completely gone since the snow. Grid searching everything now


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Deer search numbers:

585-935-5220

585-367-2290

716-648-4355

1 minute ago, bettieanne said:

What a morning!! Had two huge deer come by in the dark. One gruntin up a storm. All i could see was silouets. Covered up with mature bucks. Blew it on a big split g2 buck. Doe busted me he was with then he circled around me. Had 40 yrd shot on em but not comfortable with a long poke. Passed shot. He was the 4th mature buck that i just wasnt comfortable with shot on. What a roller coaster ride this season has been! Then i look up at 815 an see a good one cruzin. Hit em with the can an hete he comes. Knew em from trail cam pics an knew he was a shooter. Came to 30 6rd ckean broad side an stoped em an let it fly. Looked like a good hit. Ran off tail tucked hard. Gavem 45 min. Recoverd arrow clovered in bloor then backed out. Gona givem a few hours an go back in......3 rd sit on this property an seen all but one of the mature bucks i had on camera.


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Good luck - sounds like a great hit and very favorable recovery!! Send some pics!!

10 minutes ago, strutnrut62 said:

Just hit a giant 8 rattled him in. 25. Yard shot. Not 100 percent sure on shot looked forward watched him walk off till I lost sight about 100 yards out


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Awesomeness - good luck

49 minutes ago, whaler1 said:

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Great deer!!! Congrats!!! That's a pig!!!!

Great pic!!


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1 hour ago, Gator said:

Here's the follow up. I made a call to the processor and voiced my concern. He was very responsive and checked with his employee who'd processed the deer. He conveyed to me that there needed to be a bunch of trimming done because neither the rectum nor the bladder had been removed during field dressing, which resulted in the lowered yield and may have contributed to the "smelly" pieces. 

I don't see how he'd benefit from not telling the truth, and I'm not arrogant enough to believe that I can't make mistakes, but I'm still somewhat skeptical. The broadhead was broken off in the deer and I was being very careful to get everything out while not cutting myself. I used a bone saw to split the pelvis. Pequod and I even had a conversation about relative merits of different ways to remove the anus. Most importantly, we both agree that the deer didn't smell bad when we dropped it off.

 

However, there was lots of blood from the liver shot. It's possible that I missed something? Maybe the broadhead nicked the bladder while I was removing the intestine? Would that contaminate it so much? I know the stomach and gut were intact. I guess overall I'm unconvinced, since even if the bladder and anus (which I know contained no feces, because I squeezed it all out) were still in the deer, I can't imagine I'd lose twenty pounds of meat. The processor did say that the deer was a giant and his employee was "stunned" that such a poor job had been done in field dressing. As you can likely tell, I'm confused.

 

The bottom line is that the processor provided a plausible explanation, even if I have trouble believing it based on my own experience, and he offered to process the next deer "on him". I feel like that's a stand-up thing to do. In the end though, I don't think that I'm going to be able to take any more deer to him, but I recognize that reaction may be without merit. Nevertheless...

Keith - it's impossible to leave the anus inside the deer if you cut it out beneath the tail and then pull it inward along with the rectum into the body cavity when it's attached to the large intestine. The bladder is easier to forget as it's attached inside there (it's a yellow/white little bag looking thing often filled with urine) but it's easy to gently free up and remove, although I have certainly spilled a bit of urine from time to time. Did you cut out the anus from the outside, free up all the connective tissue in the anal cavity and pull it back through along with the gut sack? I do not cut through the pelvis, instead I reach my hand in there and free everything up, gently cut it away and pull it though

Chris

26 minutes ago, windburn said:

Great buck Doc. Mind if I ask what broadhead you using? Gotta love bloodtrails you can follow without stooping.

Muzzy fixed blade 3 blade - 100 grain

Thanks a million!!!

I've mentioned quite a few times on this forum about "low impact hunting" on my property and really trying to hunt smarter and stay out of my core areas until the weather was right or the rut had started. In fact I hadn't even set foot on 2/3 of my property until yesterday and today when I hunted my honey hole stand in between a core bedding area and my sanctuary. Bucks have typically cruised this corridor in late October/November and the past two days were no different.

Yesterday (11/4) was the top bow hunt I've ever had after seeing 10 different bucks, 35-40 doe, chasing and grunting galore, a button buck trying to mount a small doe and essentially being surrounded by deer from sun up til dusk. It was truly an epic day.

I went back to my same stand today given the favorable south wind  and action I had yesterday and although I had a bit of a late start getting on stand past first light it was still a great day. About 45 minutes in, this nice solid 8 passed me broadside at 20 yards. I hit him a little farther back than I wanted but he just stood there and gently walked away limping a bit as if nothing has happened. Thinking the worst - i.e a gut shot - I backed out. Then it started pouring so I went back to mark the blood trail just a bit and I was astounded at the amount of blood on the forest floor. I trailed it for about 20 yards until I saw him piled up only 40-50 yards from where I shot him. I sliced his liver, somehow missed all bowel and stomach, and destroyed a large vessel which resulted in tremendous arterial bleeding. The blood trail looked as if someone had painted an 18" red line using a paint roller.

The body was huge and nicely rutted up in the neck area. Extremely healthy deer absolutely loaded with fat....my guess is a 3.5 yr old, but maybe only 2.5.....

Congrats to all who have harvested thus far and thanks to everyone who have posted. Be safe in the field

Chris

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haha, im scared doing it now as it is

To the buyer: you are getting a phenomenal boat from a top notch guy..... just the fact that Hans took the time to take videos and help you with the transition is testament to how much pride Hans took in his vessel! Cheers to both you and Hans


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On ‎10‎/‎5‎/‎2018 at 9:57 PM, Jimmyi said:

Hi Folks,

    I want to buy a range finder but have never had one or know anything about them.  I don't need anything fancy or real expensive,  just something that's good from 30 to 200 yards.  Any help would be much appreciated.  Good hunting this year and be safe.

 

Jim 

 

There's tons of them - I have a cheap Simmons and it works great. I never range deer "like they do on TV" while bowhunting b/c it's ridiculous and I'm focused on my bow and concealment and keeping my eye on the deer. During gun, all my shots are within 100 yards so there's no need for it.

Instead, I'll range trees near my stand and create a mental shooting perimeter and a few shooting distances with the tree landmarks.

Good luck - keep it simple

Chris

32 minutes ago, Silver Fox said:

Overall, how do you like his job? I live near him if I need someone in a pinch.

Silverfoxcharters.net
 

Scott - I've used him twice in a pinch during bow when I couldn't cut one up myself b/c of warm conditions and I had work obligations the next day

He's a super nice guy and you can even drop off a deer after hours and fill out the form and leave it in his barn area. He does a good job with deboning and packaging in freezer paper but I had quite a bit of hair

He's fine in an emergency pinch

Chris

14 minutes ago, Legacy said:

My take on the early season...Get out and hunt.

If you have a big buck on camera right now and think you may have him patterned then the time to kill him is now. I feel most people are reluctant to hunt big bucks until the rut but don't wait for the rut. The rut can be amazing. But... the rut takes us into some level of chaos. Right now is time to kill a patterned deer. That deer wont be easy to pattern during the rut like he might be now. I am not encouraging you to hunt your best rut stands for the sake of hunting. I'm talking hunting patterned bucks. I know a couple of hunters that thrive on this way of thought. Their goal is to be tagged out in October and they have done it many times. They diligently hunt single bucks. Their cameras go out May or June and they hunt with their cameras. The targets are bucks they know are in the area. They scout and try to pinpoint what that buck might be doing, they hang a stand and attempt to kill him. Look, if other spots are not showing you the bucks you want to see then you should probably stay out of there until "the time is right". But a big buck showing up in the daylight in early season is a very killable deer. I have a stand that is proving to be one of those spots. I have had 8 daylight camera visits (5 in the am and 3 in the pm). My plan is sit in this set every time the wind is right until the camera shows me otherwise. 

The other way to look at this is... Time has a huge influence on success and putting time on stand is going to help your chances. Think of two charter captains with equal skill set. Captain "a" puts in twice the amount of time as captain "b". At the end of the season, chance are, captain "a" catches more fish. I know it is not quite that simple but as long as we adapt our approach to the time of year. It may create opportunity. Once again dont "ruin" your best sets. Hang an observation stand and do some scouting. Adjust accordingly. Food is plentiful and the deer are taking advantage. It is a great time to sit on food sources.

No excuses. go hunt!

I agree with the "go and hunt" philosophy. That being said, it's not just about putting time in....it's about putting quality time in. I have had a huge success in the past 4-5 years practicing low impact hunting techniques - that is hunting the trailing time after a cold front passes but staying out of the woods on low quality days such as 80 degrees and sunny I hunt low impact stands early on (i.e peripheral stands that do not require me to travel huge distances through my property and leave my scent all over the place), etc.

I hunt every day that I can be in the woods (probably 40 sits per year given my busy medical practice and family commitments) but I try and make every hunt a quality hunt. That being said, some of my hunts might not be the most optimal only b/c it might be the only day I have off from work, or the kids don't have a sporting event after school, so I can't be as choosey on some days.

You analogy on charter captains is a good one, but theoretically if Captain A puts in twice the amount of time he might not be guaranteed twice the success if his time is spent fishing in poor areas or choosing a suboptimal day to be out.

I can honestly say that it has made a huge difference in my success not only harvesting some beauties, but on the quality and quantity of deer that I'm seeing by trying to really practice low impact techniques.

I'm a big believer in Jeff Sturgis's readings who talks about this in depth.

Chris

9 minutes ago, [email protected] said:

Just remember boys, try not to stink up your prime stands before the real action starts.   I've seen it happen many times, it can cost you.

Try to mix it up, use climbers and secondary stands early, wait that extra 15 minutes to climb down if you saw or heard a deer close by so they don't bust you climbing down, change up your stand approaches if at all possible.  It doesn't take long to get patterned, and once you do it hurts your odds a bit.

If you hunt in a place with lots of human activity it's probably not such a big deal, but don't underestimate the power of hunting a fresh stand on the perfect day in late Oct/early Nov.

And keep in mind, if you're targeting a mature buck, he's back in bed well before first light this time of year, your best bet is almost always catching him at last light getting antsy and rising from his bed before it's fully dark on a high pressure/cold day or just ahead of one.

 

Good luck and good hunting. Its finally here !

Totally disagree on the big buck early morning movement. They will move 1-2 times in the early morning to feed/browse and you can easily score on a nice buck if you can get near their bedding zone during the early season in stealth mode (don't use a climber, get into stand quickly, avoid noise, etc). I think it's a huge myth that big bucks don't move early morning during the early season and you are missing out on a huge opportunity to hunt early morning during early October.

I 100% agree with low impact hunting early season and saving a prime stand hunt during late October after a passing cold front

I have several nice bucks on my wall that were early season harvests near a prime big buck bedding area.

Chris

1 hour ago, JakeyBaby said:

And FYI moultrie cameras suck! All my night time pics are blurry and cant see anything. Will never purchase another one

I finally found one I really like this year - Browning Strike Force HD Pro......best camera I've ever had and I've tried many sub $200.00 and $100.00 cameras...Moultrie, Primos, Wildgame, Browning and Bushnell over the past 13-14 years and they all sucked to be honest

Finally this one really seems to be excellent

I bought 6 of them from TrailcamPro

On ‎9‎/‎24‎/‎2018 at 7:42 PM, hawkeye625 said:

My browning strike forces hung out since October 2017. I pulled them 1st week of August. Kinda cool to catch the growth stages of a buck was surprised to find full cards and still 40% battery. Most deer that passed this cam were running...wondered why til the coyote pics.

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This is awesome! I love the rack growth sequence!! Thanks for sharing