Chicong

Hauled the mail today.  Ten foot of water on the lake with Orange and bronze 5 and 6” non broken-back Raplas 100’ back right in front of Ship Builders.  Money.  
 

I have five Sutton 22 and five Sutton 35’s that appear to be unused.  Also two Pflueger 6’s.  The Pfluegers may have been used.  My: name is Ed and I am in Irondequoit.  595-314-1091.  $85 or best offer. I use these with copper rigs.  

I ended up buying another battery from them.  Yes.  I know.  Dumb.  But I wanted to make sure if this one pooped the bed, it was them I bought it from.  

2 hours ago, Legacy said:

FYI Bryce changed ownership in the past couple of years and Im hearing a lot of new staff also

Are they going out of business?  How can you cheat people like this?

6 hours ago, chinook35 said:

3 bad batteries? Doubtful. Have you checked your charging system?  The voltmeter ( digital , not the boat instrument ) should read 13.5-14.5 volts while engine is running   The battery at rest ( after losing surface charge ) should be at least 12.6 volts.  You may have a dead short somewhere , drawing the battery down. Just a thought, I had a new Lowrance sonar that had a different shutdown procedure from my previous unit. I thought it was off , when in fact it was not. Next time at the launch. Dead batt.  I now carry a jump pack in my vehicle at all times   Hope you get to the bottom of this matter.  Your life could depend on it.   Another thought. Do you have a battery switch ?  I installed one after my sonar screwup. Turn all electrics off and isolate battery after each trip. 

I totally agree.  I am going to do this.  But should I really have to? $40K.  And again. I get it.  Sometimes things don't work.  OK.  But don't treat the guy who paid you $40K like a jerk.  Especially when the failures are on warranty.  Maybe they are going out of business and are hanging on by a thread.  Who knows.   I can't figure it out.  Cheating honest hard-working people.  Shameful. 

4 hours ago, whaler1 said:

The warranty on a new boat comes from the boat manufacturer as well as the manufacturer of the motor. Ie Tracker/Mercury. Have you contacted them directly?

Understood.  The new boat had three Interstate batteries.  Two for the trolling motor and one that runs the main engine and electronics. 

The boat has gone through 3 main engine batteries in three years.  Each one has stranded me, the last one in a very, very dangerous situation on the Niagara River at the Devil's Hole.  We could have been killed.  Same old story launch, pray, then drift, or get towed home.  Voltmeter always 12+ at failure.  2019 Merc 150 4 stroke.  

I'm diligent about keeping the two trolling motor and main engine battery charged at all times.  After the first stranding, I always verified 13+ volts with voltmeter to terminals, not console gauge before launch.  Never had a problem with the two original trolling motor batteries.  Rock solid.  Bryce guy says "you had three bad main engine batteries in succession".  No CCA they say.  C'mon.  You kidding?  

All three are supposed to be covered on warranty and they say no.  See below.  Now they want to charge me $280 for the third.  Jesus.  I had more reliable 1968 outboards.  Contacted manufacturer, White Marine, they say, sorry, talk to Bryce. 

At the end of the day what bothers me most is not the quality of the new boat, nor the battery failures, but the rotten attitude by the Bryce staff and lack of total business acumen.  Is new management in place?  Dave the salesman was great.  Complete professional.  The rest of the staff seems angry.  I handed them $40K cash.  Now we're arguing over $280?   

Are there any smart businessmen/woman left? I saved my money for my whole life working overtime, nights, weekends in a rotten, physical job.  Digging ditches, working with my hands.  I'm no rich guy.  I worked for my money.  I would have spent $200K+ more business with them over the years.  I want Jet-ski's for my grand-kids.  Maybe a pontoon boat for my wife.  Golden years.  But after month's of arguing back-and-forth over peanuts when I handed them $40K?   Do you want to do business with folks like this?  You reap what your sow.  Sorry.  Unbelievable.    

• 5-YEAR BOW-TO-STERN WARRANTY

  We'll cover parts and labor for defects in materials and workmanship on electrical components, livewells and plumbing, stereo, gauges, switches, console(s), windshield, steering wheel, fishing seats, carpet, vinyl, fuel system and gelcoat. And that's just a partial list.

 I have owned boats for almost 40 years. Built engines and raced hydroplanes.  I’ve built stock cars from the ground up.  I bought a boat from them three years ago new for almost $40K and it has had constant electrical problems.  OK. I get it.  Sometimes you buy a lemon.  But they don’t honor warranties.  They’ve lied to me.   And they have treated me like I was an enemy. I’m reasonable.  I’m patient.  But I just can’t deal with them anymore.  Is it just me or has anyone else experienced the same?  Man. This is awful.  I wish I never bought a boat there.  
 

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Fenwick HMX 12' 6" Float Rod and Sheffield Okuma Centerpin Reel in almost new condition.  Rod currently retails for $129 and reel for $219.  Yours for $250 for the pair.  I am in Irondequoit, NY.  My name is Ed  585-314-1091.  Great deal.  I would also trade for quality firearms in part or whole. Thanks.  

On 7/10/2021 at 10:51 AM, Pete Collin said:

I made a couple of instructive videos about laker jigging, and have posted them here before.  Just so you don't have to go searching, here they are:

 

Your videos are excellent.  I have seen them before.  Thanks!

I'll take any. Depth, temp, jigs, live bait, smell, taste, anything.  Thanks!!!

I fished on Saturrday.  We boated 15.  Biggest was 8lbs.  We were not entered in the derby.  I took one look at that fish at the weigh-in station and could not believe my eyes.  I've fished on that lake for over 50 years and have never caught a laker bigger than 13lbs.  I'm still shocked at the size of that thing.  

I have a 18' Tracker that I bought brand new in 2019.  Nice boat.  But there are some serious ergonomic design flaws.

1. Cant completely open live wells when back and front seats are installed - huh?
2. Can go to full throttle if driver seat is turned the wrong way - seat hits throttle upon rotation - dangerous
3. Cavitates unless trim is set 95-100% full down
4. Switches for power, bilge, live wells - almost impossible to tell if on or off.   Two dead batteries to prove it.

Simple stuff any engineer could look at and say - this sucks.  Has full welded hull so that's nice.  The Lund was just too much money for me.   I know they're great.  I also wish I could get a Honda or Suzuki.  Not an option.  Trailers they sell with the boat are awesome.  Can load by your self easily. 

Pick up in Rochester or will ship for $10.  $20.   585-314-1091

Pick up in Rochester.  $25 or BO. 585-314-1091

Pick up in Rochester.  $40 or BO. 585-314-1091

Currently rigged with nylon braid.  Pick up in Rochester.  $85 or BO  585-314-1091

I have a Seth Green rig that could be also be converted to a Copper rig.  Pick up in Rochester.  $125 or BO  585-314-1091

What weight balls do you guys use?  Could anybody tell me what is normal amount of angle our downrigger wire is at while trolling?  Is there a simple way to calculate the actual depth of the ball based on the wire angle?  Thanks!

6 hours ago, GAMBLER said:

Just don't try to eat them out of there.  They taste the way the water smells.  

Never eaten anything out of there.  I know what they did at kodak

9 hours ago, 2lbperch said:

I've used a contraption about the same as my sewing machine reel. Same gear reduction motor, same size reel, the pedal to reel it in, & the same spoon, but with braid copper on it. For me, it hurts the "feel" of the spoon & the bottom. The braid it seems I'm always running out more wire to get that "feel". Still caught fish, but I don't know if it bellies up like leadcore can or what. I'm talking like twice the braid to fish 80' deep. I learned on solid wire with the old 2 handled wooden reel I guess. That tick tick tick is what I'm familiar with. Now if I could just get some time to get out fishing. Good luck to all you yankers. So fun fighting a big ol' boy to the boat hand over hand.

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Tick tick tick.   That's the secret. 

Had a good evening tonight 5-9 on the Genny.  Drove up to Seth Green Island and landed 15 or so Walleye.  Night Crawlers on a small hook above a weight landed half for me.  Also casted a bright orange lipless crankbait for the other half.  Neighbor did well with deep diving crankbaits for the Walleyes.  He also landed 4-5 smaller catfish on a float rig above a crawler.   Anywhere upstream of Seth Green on the East side was really good.  All released.  There is a dude camping on Seth Green.  Possibly homeless guy.  But a fisherman so he's good with me.  Alleged that he caught huge eyes in the morning on shrimp.  I call BS.  If you are a good Walleye angler unlike me, maybe you could do better.  Good luck.  Will try to post pics later.   

On ‎7‎/‎20‎/‎2020 at 7:22 PM, Paul W said:

I wrote a couple weeks back and have tried a couple different ways to reel copper wire. The extension cord reel in photo has worked best. I live in Naples and use Sutton spoons and fish Hemlock and Canandaigua  Lakes.
After a couple of outings and losing a few lures I’m getting the hang of it. 
The extension cord reel is held by a grip in the center. Your thumb can work as a drag     and prevent slack and loose tangles. I did clip the swivel off the spoon and that seems to keep the hook up and off the bottom.

Thanks for all the help!

Good job!  I think almost any way to wind up the copper will work as long as you don't end up with a rats nest.  I use have salt water rods with Penn 49 reels.  When I am pulling the copper, though, I always have the copper line in my hand.  SOme of the old timers used these wooden loom like things with a handle on either side one on top and one on bottom.  I also have a Victrola that works nice. 

I never liked the Sutton spoons for copper.  Always seemed too light for me.    I like the heavier Pflueger Record 4's, 4 1/2's and 5's (or copies) in all silver or blue and white combos.  I also prefer braided wire to solid to avoid kinks.  Finally on the Pflueger's I like the dangling hook versus the fixed but both work.    Sometimes you can find those spoons cheap on Ebay if you spell the search wrong.  A little hint for you. 

14 hours ago, cdgn troller said:

Very nice Chicong! We were out there too from about 6-9:30 basically, tried the west side after 9:30 and it was baron, just one bow. We were a little north of you but fishing was exceptional. We were around 20 rainbows with a few in the 5-6lb range, a few browns and a handful of lakers and a couple pickerel. Those small fish up top were small bows and small lakers, the bigger fish were close to bottom in 50-60fow, smaller lakers were in tighter than that at least for us.

 

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Thanks.  You're right.  Most of the Lakers we got were not that big.  Maybe biggest was 6 lbs.  It's a little hard for me to get down to 60 with the copper but I have a downrigger.  Thanks for the tip on the bows.  Could you let me know what lures, depth and speed for those?

Launched at the north end 9AM.  Battery dead.  Go to auto parts store.  Purchase and install new battery.  Bam - $132.  Fished north and south from the Christian Camp to Steamboat Landing and back unitl about 1230.  Boated 20.  Lost another 15.  Method:

1. Tackle:  Ocean Roller Tip Rod, Penn 49L.  Copper wire.  I think it is .22 gauge.  I like the braided wire but you can use solid. 
2. Lures:  Pflueger 4.  One with fixed hook.  One with dangling hook.  4 1/2 and 5's work fine too.  You can use Pflueger knock-off's and other brands as well.  I used all silver but blue and white combo works very well too.  Some people use mag lip type lures or something called a twin minnow.  The intent is to get a lure that will look like a sawbelly aka alewive.  No backing.  No leader.  Wire straight from the reel to the lure.
3. Depth:  35 - 40'
4. Presentation:  Trolling, Jerking and Fluttering Motion bottom bouncing. Hold the line in your hand when you manipulate the lure.
5. Speed:  1-1.3MPH.  Slower seemed to be better.

If you don't have electronics just go between the points north and south.  Should be the same this weekend.  We saw them on the graph before we got them.  Make sure hooks are sharp and you have to be on the bottom.  To get there I put out almost 75-90% of a full reel on the 49L.  If you don't catch or hook something in 5 minutes, reel up and check your hook for a weed or zebra mussel.  I've been doing this same method for 45 years and it always works.  Your arm should be tired at the end of the day.  Also spotted a ton of (smaller) fish in the 15-20' range but didn't try too hard to get them.  There is a huge depth change in front of the camp so watch for that.  Good spot on the incline.  Good luck.