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Jolly II

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  1. I found one particular paragraph in all three parts of that article that scared me after how good the salmon fishing was in 2012 and 2013 and how terrible it was this year.

    "The alewife crash started around 2003, but few noticed it at first. The salmon fishing had been as good as ever — record catch rates were recorded just the year before. But it turned out this was not the sign of a healthy salmon fishery. It was a sign the salmon were running out of alewives to eat."

    In the cases of Lakes Michigan and Huron where there was a cash, their salmon showed signs of stress with poor body condition. This is not the case for Lake Ontario, body condition of our fish has been good and steady, that is the weight of a 36" fish. I'm confident that we have a good forage basin. Our lake is hard to compare to Michigan and Huron with it being the last and lowest Great Lake.

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    2 Vector rod holders, fully adjustable, 360* horizontal rotation, and 180* vertical.  $100

    2 Big Jon heavy duty rod holders, with mounting bases. GONE!




    2 Walker Downrigger swivel bases, these have 8 positions, in good condition, and work excellent.  $115/pair.






    2 Proos Downrigger swivel bases, in good condition, 4 positions, $100/pair.




    1 Proos Downrigger dual rod holder, in good condition, $50.

  3. She's not perfect, but the boat is solid, and catches fish. Easily pulled with a half ton pick up, and if your looking to make a little bit of a step up from a smaller aluminum boat this is a great boat to do that with.

    price, $3500

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  4. Floors are solid, there isn't any transom or stringers issues with the boat. It's never been kept in the water, not even with the previous owner. I've had it 7 years, and have always kept it in the barn, with the plug out, all year when it's not in the water fishing. It does have some dock scars, which have been fixed, but need paint or gelcoat.

    And yes, I did about 15 charters on it a season over the last 3 seasons. I would've used it next season too, but I found the right boat at the right price, and this one has to go.

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  5. 1985 Sportcrft 210 Fisherman
    21' long, 7.5' wide, dry weight is approximately 3,500lbs
    Powered by a 170 horse power, 3.7L 4 cylinder mercruiser with 806 hours. She cruises at about 22mph at 3,300-3,400 rpm.
    The boat is equipped with dual batteries and a multi position battery switch.
    Large cabin area for a boat its size with a sink, built in cooler, and porta potty.

    Included with the boat is a single axle, galvanized, roller bunk trailer, with a 2 stage winch. This boat is very easy to put on and off the trailer.
    She is coming ready to fish with 3 electric Proos down riggers, 6 Tite Lock rod holders, cannon planer reels, VHF radio, and a Hummingbird 596HD sonar/fish finder. Included in the equipment but not on the boat is a spare electric Proos down rigger, and a Sitex Neptune GPS.
    The boat is setup with a trolling motor bracket, and EZ steer system to accommodate a 10 horse power outboard kicker.
    It's not the prettiest boat in the harbor, but she's solid, and has been kept in the barn whenever I'm not fishing in it. It is very comfortable to fish with 4 people on board, and can troll in a 3 foot sea without beating you up. The only reason I'm selling it is because I've grown out of this boat, and have already moved up to a bigger one.
    PM me with any questions you may have. The boat is still not winterized, and if you're serious about buying it, we can splash it and seatrial it.

    Now asking $3500.


  6. Over Abundance of Alewifes - DEC and many in attendance are at odds over this....as has been the position since 1993 when DEC decided to reduce king stocking due to their estimates of lower Alewife levels to stocking levels. Key is the Spring Trawls by USGS. We had a near or record hatch in 2013 of Alewifes. This spring the most important target is how those fish survived the winter to become a new generation of bait fish. the results of the netting after the brutal long cold winter of those fish to finish their first full year in the lake was a sizable HIT from most likely winter stress. However if you take the over all populations of YOY through say age six, while the chart showed a drop from over all alewife strength for 2014, it wasn't overly alarming. Yet this 2013 hatch took a pretty deep hit. This is the first big hit after years 2009-2013 of above avg. successful hatches. While many in the room debated those findings because of their own personal experiences....DEC reminded everyone in the room of the Audit that was done by a team of Forage base scientists from around the globe back in the early 2000's to asses the USGS and DEC process for the netting operation, and the results of the audit maintained that the process to collect this data was sound.  DEC and USGS stands by the 2014 forage survey. Confirmed there was a spring/early summer die off....which they expected due to the coldest longest winter in over 100 years. and that they have no evidence to state there is an over abundance of Alewife in LO.


    King Davy, thanks for posting this summary of the meeting.  I attended Tuesday night and had some after thoughts concerning the bait fish abundance.  I wish I had thought of this while at the meeting.


    I don't think Steve is trying to misrepresent what they are finding in the lake, nor do I think that those of us on our side of the table are wrong in what we've seen this year on the lake with the alewive abundance.  I know Steve made the statement that their data collection process was auditted and found to be a sound scientific method, but that audit was conducted in the 2000's, long after Lake Ontario water was cleared up by filter feeding zebra and quagga muscles.  I was out and about in the world in the 1990s with the U.S. Navy, and only fished the lake in the early 90s before the muscles took a strong hold in the lake.  We all remember what the water clearity was like in the 1980s and early 90s, if you could call it clear, and was really surprised how clear the lake was when I started fishing it again in 2000. 


    Here's my point on the water clearity.  Many of the older guys remember a my uncle Tom Jolliff, DEC biologist at the Cape Vincent research station, and know he was a thorn in the DEC's side since the stocking cut backs in the early 90s, a biologist who was always on the fisherman's side.  A salvage diver that he knew in the eastern basin region commented to Tom once about water clearity, and that they had to use lights on dives deeper than 60-70 feet, and now they don't use lights until they get down to 200 feet.   Tom thought about that concept, and how clearer water may actually make the lake trawls less affective, becuase the alewives are able to see the trawl nets coming, and simply avoid the nets, making the data bias to lower than actual alewive abundance.  I'm not sure if he ever wrote a paper on the subject, or had data to show that night time trawls could be more affected, but he strongly felt that their data is bias becuase the fish are just able to evade the net.  When he suggested that they experiment with night trawls they pretty much told him the same thing we were told the other night, they there data collection is a sound scientific method.


    If you look the alewive abendance chart that was presented at the meeting, it's the same chart that is presented at every state of the lake meeting, you can see a gradual downward trend throughout the 1990s as the lake was becoming clearer, as more and more muscles colonized the lake.  I'm sure there was drop in alewive abundance to do less food being available in the bottom of the food chain, but I'm sure Tom was on to something with this theory of net evasion also, and it's a theory that could explain the disparities in what the biologist data suggests and what us fisherman are actually seeing in the lake.


    Unfortunately this did not pop in my head until I was driving home late Tuesday night and digesting all that was discussed.  Perhaps this question or theory could be pushed towards the biologist from a groupl of fisherman, like LOU, or groupl of captains, like the Genesee Charter Boat Assoc, and put some pressure on these guys to think outside the box on this, but likely won't happen. 


    Again, thanks to Jerry and Sam for putting that together the other night. 

  7. Paul,


    Just saw this post.  My Dad made these releases.  Unfortunately he's not making them anymore, but he may have some left.  I think he may also have some replacement rubber pads for them too.  I've replaced the pads on a lot of my releases over the years.


    If you don't have any luck at B&E, email Bill Jolliff at  [email protected].  He might be able to help you out.



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