Jolly II

Follow the link to alan tani.  He has a fabulous section on the 320's.  Even I was able to completely dissaemble all of mine by following his pix & explanations.  It's actually quite easy.

 

Tom B.

(LongLine)

I 2nd Tom's advice.  Last week I completely disasembled all my sealine 27Hs and 47Hs, cleaned, lubed, and rebuilt the drags, from stuff I learned from Alan Tani's website.  It's on my favorites list now.

Chris,  your uncle was brilliant. He produced documentation in several instances where he helped reinforce our( avid Lake O anglers) positions in critical debates. Our observations regarding predator/ prey densities and the redistribution of forage species in Lake Ontario were dismissed as "anecdotal." He was as exasperated as we were when "doom and gloom" was predicted in the early 90's. He knew the Chinook was the solution, not the problem, even if your agenda was native specie restoration. Alot of people don't know it, but the single biggest reason the perch population has rebounded in Lake O is Chinook predation on the nuisance alewife population. Your uncle Tom, because of his love of Chinook and dedication to the health of the Lake Ontario fishery, had his job as a NYS DEC fishery biologist running through his veins. I learned alot from that man, and somewhere I have some papers he created on a variety of subjects surrounding our fishery and lake. I will try to find them and copy for you.

Thanks Vince.  He had fevered passion for the Lake Ontario fisheries, didn't he?  And, even after he retired he continued to do research and support the fishery.   

I loved to fished with him, I just wish eveyone of us had had the opportunity to fish with him for a day.  It was always an interesting. 

What's funny... is by age 10 I understood the relationship with Alewives and perch, and the benefits of stocking salmon. 

If you ever do copy those papers, I'd love to have them.  Would be nice to add to my collection of research that Tom gave me, everything from cross polination of winter squash to mortality rates of catch and release steelhead.

Wow!  That's great evidence Tim.

I really wish my Uncle Tom was still alive.  He had a paper that was written in the early 90s from an independent study that was done on the toxins in the fish.  Basically, they took a clean fillet, the actual part of the fish we all eat, and tested that.  The end result was that clean, boneless, skinless, cleanly trimmed fillet greatly reduced the amount of toxins in the fish.

I think the current practice of testing the fish involves grinding up the entire fish, and testing that.  I may wrong, but I always thought that was the process. 

If I spent some time this summer in his old office I might be able to find it, all his fisheries research stuff is still there and organized.  I'd love to get that paper, and scan it, and share it with all of you on here.

As well as a whole bunch of other studies and papers.

Tim, Thanks BTW for all your hard work with this weekend's show, and to the other LOTSA guys.  It's growing every year.  I never got a chance to come over and say hi, I have the ability to talk alot during certain occasions.

I'm in an environmentally related field, and several years ago I had to have a blood test at the start of a new job to see what my base line levels were for different toxins that I would be exposed to while at work.  Things like asbestos, PCBs, Mercury, heavy metals, and a whole slough of other things.  I've been eating fish from Lake Ontario all my life, I'm 39 now.  I don't remember all the specific things it tested for, it was a long list, but interestingly enough, I was average, or slightly below average for levels of toxins in my blood.  I do know that even my PCB levels were average/slightly below average.

I'm not eathing fish everyday, but on average about once a week, even in the winter.  The magority of that being trout and salmon.  I've always taken the extra time to trim the fillets free of all bones, fat, skin, and the dark meat that is next to the skin. 

Another thing to consider is my lifestyle.  My wife and I grow, can and freeze, much of the vegetables we eat, as well as raising our own chickens for meat and eggs, and pigs for pork.  And with all the deer running around in Genesee county, venison is where our red meat comes from.  We eat very little processed foods.  I'm not a health nut or a "Granola".  Our family just enjoys providing for ourselves.  It's a lot work, but I don't do well sitting around either.

if you buy an NK in a store they come with a ring, so I would put a ring on if they don't have it.

Yup, I do the same thing when I buy NK blanks.

Those Okuma 30s are good, lots of guys on the lake have those reels. 

300 copper is a good length to start with, the longer coppers are tricky, and they are the ones that will cause problems more often than the shorter coppers.  I've got the Okuma Convectors, CV55L, for my copper reels.  Okuma also makes a pretty nice copper rod with stainless steel guides designed to specifically run copper.  I think I've seen them around for about $40. 

Your current dipsey rods will work fine also, except that you will want to replace the eye at the tip of the rod with a twilli tip, which helps to prevent the wire from kinking when it goes through the eye.  Your Okuma 30 size reels will have enough room for a 1000' of 30lb wire.

As Rick said above keep it simple, no need spend a fortune to completely retool your tackle, a lot of the gear you already have will work just fine, but with just a few changes.

You'll be fine with your spinning rods in the spring for browns, 15lb braid is more than enough.  As Don stated above you want to add a leader, flourocarbon is good because it really dissappears in the water, and sometimes browns can be line shy in clear water, when they have been pressured too much.

When I was little kid, late 70s, before we started fishing with side planers, Dad and I would flat line plugs with spinning rods.  Worked great!  Then once side planers got popular, and we started fishing with them, we still used the spinning rods, but we had to pay attention to lead length, as you want all your leads on one side planer about the same distance. 

Give it a shot, and you may end up hooking into a king, and that could be a lot fun on a spinning rod.

Bill, I just took a look at the owner's manual to check, it is not NEMA 2000 compatable.

Let me know what you think.  If you are interested I can bring it out to Ontario the next time I'm at my parents' house.  Saves you a trip all the way to Bergen.

Just lowered the price to $75.  I can ship at buyer's expense.

Take Yankee's advice on the copper, it's got a steep learning curve on how to run without costly tangles.  I'd set up 2 wire dipsies, they consistently produce fish, and are pretty simple to run.  I won't leave the dock without dipsies in the boat.

As for your 15lb mono...  It's fine for rigger fishing.  You'd be very surprised how much pressure you can put on big fish with quality mono, 12lb, 14lb, or in your case 15lb.  We do the exact same thing as Fishin Again does when the fleas show up.

And use the reel's drag.  I've seen some very catastrophic  failures with heavy line, and too much drag, trying to muscle a big fish. 

Holy Buckets Lou.  You guys are tough, I didn't even want to make the walk to the barn that day to do chores. 

I'm still jealous that you got on the water fishing though, lol

I agree with Capt. Carl, no split ring, just small high quality snap swivel. 

As for the paint, seems to be worse on certain patterns, and on other patterns it's just fine.  I might have to try those suggested tricks to help out with that. 

I've have followed as much of this as I can from NY Outdoor News Report.  From what I understand the Conservation Fund Advisory Board is the entity that is pushing the decrease in the license fees, over frustration that there is a 40 million dollar surplus that Albany is not using for conservation programs. 

I like this discussion, and I do agree, this all has to be looked at seriously, and intelligently.  And we need to voice our opinions that the $40 million dollars needs to be spent on DEC, conservation programs, and hatchery improvements.  That's our money that has an intended use, let's use it!!

Great advice Tim!  That's the program.

Chas, as far as the lakers are concerned, it would be similiar, but you would want much colder water, like the water that we fish for kings in, except where that hits the bottom.  And the lakers like a few different lures, like cowbells and spin-n-glows.

Gambler on this board is a great Laker fisherman, and boats many lakers over 20lbs during the season.  Hopefully he'll see this post and add some expertise.

I've got 6 of the older Daiwa downrigger rods for sale. They are in good shape, but have lost some backbone over the years. They would still make great spring Brown Trout rods or Walleye rods

4- 7'-6"

2- 8'

I've also got 1 Advantage Pro Lead core rod, in great shape. I've had this on the boat and have been running a full core from it. It might also work good for a short copper. 9'-6"

Assorted J-Plugs, I have the harnesses to go with them. These are the smaller 003 size, except the 2 on the right, they are the standard 004 size. $30

Assortment of Joint Rapalas, size #13, a #11, and a #9 $30

Assorted stick baits. Rapalas sizes #13s, #11s, and #9s, Storm Thunder Sticks, and Yozuris $40

Lot 1 Luhr Jensen Flutter Spoons $25

Lot 2 Sutton Flutter and heavier Trolling Spoons $25

Lot 3 Yecks, Northport Nailer/Southport Slammers, Diamond Kings and Dare Devil trolling spoons. $30

Prices are negotiable.

I'm selling my Lowrance X-125 Sonar. I have the transducer and the the surface speed wheel to go with it. Unfortunately the transducer is cracked and repaired at the usual spot where the skimmer transducers always broke, however it still works good. The surface speed wheel works just fine.

This sonar is 2,500 Watts Peak to Peak power, Film SuperTwist display with 16 level gray scale 200 kHz Skimmer transducer with temperature sensor Enhanced receiver for shallow/deep water sonar performance

I've had this unit for 6 years and I have had it on the boat as a back up, but just not utilizing it very much.

$75




This is what the unit display looks like, or you can run it in the standard 16 level gray scale display mode.

Thanks Chas for clearing up my post. It's been long time since I've been up there salmon fishing with my Uncle and Cousin. I'm not as familiar with anymore.

My Uncle and cousin most often fished around Galoo Island in the summer for trout and salmon, and years ago out around Main Duck(Canadian Waters), and the shipping lanes. They live right on Bedford Corners Rd, and we would put the boat in a Pond's Marina(I think it's closed now), or put in at the launch on Pt. Peninsula. It was a long run, and would be from anywhere around there, but we did it in an old Starcraft Islander. Just burns a lot of gas, and you need gaurenteed good lake conditions.

Just food for thought.

My big net is a Ranger net, it has a very sturdy 7' handle and nice wide hoop. I got it a Dick's. I paid about 50 bucks.

A buddy of mine has a Beckman net. That thing is sweet, but they are deffinately more in price. But the guys that have them love them, and say they are well worth the extra money. Seems like those Beckman nets have water mains for handles, I think almost indestructable.

I did have a big Frabill net before. For the smaller, up to 10lb fish, it was fine. But the handle material just could not hold up to netting heavier fish, and after one season the the handle was shot. They use a lighter gage, round aluminum handle material.

To me the handle sturdiness, and durability, are just as important as the hoop size.

This has been debated for decades and will always be debated.

Your not kidding. I had this very same debate with my Uncle Tom on many fishing trips. My argument for trebles was that hook up rates were higher, especially on days when fish are swiping, or short striking, at the lure. =more fish in the boat. His argument for singles was that once hooked, you loose less fish. =more fish in the boat.

Boy... I miss fishing with that guy.

Torpedo had it at the Hamburg show last year. Deffinately a cool idea. I'm not sure what the diameter of the cable is, but it looks to be larger in diameter than the standard coated cable, and would be conducive to more blow back.

The signal wire is wrapped up inside the cable strands, that's why it would be a larger diameter. I don't know of anyone who's got it or has used it, so I'm not sure of its performance.

Just what Lund SSS said, that's the exact program.

One thing to consider, if you're in gin clear water and not producing, you don't want to stay there, you want to get out of it and find that productive water that Lund SSS was talking about. Most of what gets deployed behing my boards is speed tolerant stuff, and when in search mode I'm trolling at 3 mph, maybe a touch faster, to cover ground and watch my surface temp, and I keep looking over the side to check water clarity.

You may find that under certain wind conditions, that certain coves and points will hold productive water.

I'm not sure how much 20lb mono backing you'd be able to put on.

Instead of mono, 20 or 30lb power pro backing might be a better choice depending on what type of fishing you are doing. For typical Lake Ontario salmon fishing application, I would go with the power pro, you will be able to fit much more backing line on the reel under your lead core.