huskyjerk

 Thank you Capt Rich,

     Do the Alwives or Alwifes (which ever is correct) spawn along the shoreline in Spring ?   Just trying to compare our experience of springtime alewife spawning and the accompanying hot striper action in close,  with the browns being in close in Spring in the Great Lakes.  How close is my comparison  ?   Down here in the spring at night the alwives move right up on the beach, so to speak, and create one heck of a commotion swimming in tight circles and they are pursued by the stripers, walleye and musky. As it begins to get light the activity dies down and the alewives move off a bit.  What we do is seine net the 'wives and live line them a cast distance out from shore.  Does this sound similar to whats happening up there ?  If so, why is it that only the browns move in on um and not the other species that prey on alwives ? 

Man o Man what a hefty brown !  Got any idea at all of it's age ?   Alwives build big fish fast.  The stripers they stock here in Beltzville Lake go from fingerlings to 20+ inchers in 2 to 3 years because of the massive alwife population.  We eat all the fish we target or we don't target them ! In your opinion, how do the footballs fare on the table?   

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These were just outside Selkirk, but we did fish in close also. There was also a 2 year old king taken out there Friday.

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OMG !!!   WAY TO GO !   â€‹Thems Trophies to us down here in PA !   What's the poundage on 'em ?   OH and BTW, I got a few questions.  Are the Browns in for spawning purpose ?   If so, are they hitting because they're guarding beds ?  They look in great shape, no lampreys.  What's the biggest you've landed there ever.  Post a pic of it if you have one.  I'm a photo nut.  I always carry a cam 'cause I make movies of outdoor activities (huntin n fishin) and show them to shutins and nursing homes.  They love um !

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SHARING,       David

Deff what spike said, the Selkirk Pier is a great place to get spring footballs. We took a good number of fish just off the pier trolling Friday. I would throw Cleo's or Crocodiles. Good Luck

Capt Rich

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Hey Cap got any pictures to share ?

hey guys thanks so much !   I love Selkirk Shores campgrounds and hope they are open right now.   So I take it there is no ice to contend with anymore.  You know it's funny, but my son and I bought lots of Krocks on a party boat off NJ for stripers so we're loaded for bear.   Silver and Gold

Thank you very much !

Is the Salmon River Estuary a good place to target BIG Spring browns from shore?

It's been awhile since I posted.  please explain where to position a post so all can see.  I'm currently posting under "PRO" ...."FOR MEMBERS ONLY"  but I'm afraid it's too exclusive and my questions won't be viewed by everyone.  Advise 

location matters in the lake those hook regs do not apply they are for the first bridge upstream to the first barrier and only apply during spawning season I forget the exact dates because they rarly apply to me because I usually drift size 10 hooks with eggs under a float or 1/16oz or smaller hair jigs under a float for trout and salmon just because thats the way I like to do it something about seeing the float dissapear. also a lot of tribs have special regs for certian sections so check but if your in the lake or downstream of the last bridge your good with any type of jig more or less though i dont think you can get away with calling a snag hook a jig

You see now how misinformed many folks are. I've heard so many "conversations" between seemingly well informed fishermen over the years that is cause for bewilderment.

So this is what I THINK is right. In the Salmon River during the spawning run don't be using ANYTHING WITH A TREBLE HOOK ATTACHED PERIOD

DO NOT MAKE ANY JERKING OR "HOOK SETTING" MOTIONS with of course your rod and that would preclude yo-yo jigging.

You know what...they're too dam many knit pickin regulations on this activity.

Now I know years ago Salmon fishing (at least on the Salmon River) was a h ll of a fiasco!!

Something needed to be done to calm things down a little, but it's gone too far. Those of us who want to play by the book but who are also creative and experimental are handicapped by so many tackle regs and WHY? For instance, I'd like to experiment with using a sliding egg sinker rig with a floating Rapala at the terminal end then anchor in the current and cast directly aft then feed out line so that

the Rapala could be drifted straight back and change depths as you pay out and reel in line. That is not legal!! It's not robbing from anyone. Its no more disrupting to bank fisherman than the drift boats. There's no way to intentionally snag anything with that rig so why? And thats just one example of the hypersensitivity that seems to pervade the regulatory agency involved.

As far as the launch is concerned, how big is your boat? the lighthouse marina launch is adaquate as long as your boat is 21 ft or under, I've been launching there for yrs with a 21 ft Trophy with no problems...4 wheel drive help also.

Good luck

Bad Influence

My boat is a 20ft Bayliner Trophy and it was "interesting" to say the least, trying to figure the most clever way to disembark in a stiff cross wind. Far as traction goes I wouldn't even think about it without 4wd.

we dont use trebles

could you be more specific then that? "we don't use trebles", So you say jigging the Salmon with a jig bearing a single hook, no gap wider than 1/2 inch, is perfectly legal, right?

We launch there all the time.

The short 5 mph ride, gives us a chance to start getting rods ready, and not for nothing, gives the engine a warm-up period.

We are at our camper at Brennans from the 3rd-12th, in the "woods".

sounds good! We'll give Selkirk ramp a shot.

Check us out at Brennan site V1, Sept 6 THRU 10

It seems to me by some of the responses to my question about vertical jigging in the mouth of the Salmon that not allot of you know for sure whats legal and whats not. I love vertical jigging but I guess won't be doing it this year.

Most of the tribs are open to use jigs and treble hooks from the lake to the first bridge. Oswego is open for jigs and treble hooks from the lake to Utica Street bridge (2nd bridge), and Salmon River is a no-go "from the upstream most navigation buoy located between the breakwalls at the mouth upstream to the County Route 52 bridge in Altmar" (pretty much the whole river)

Here's a link to the special regs page on the DEC website:

http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/31420.html

yes you can jig the oswego river up to th utica street bridge 24 hours a day. after sept 1st from the utica st bridge to the varick st dam you can not jig. special regs apply from utica st bridge to the varick st dam.

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so there you have it. Thanks Bluegillslayer. I figured there was a restriction on jigging someplace when the salmon are in. I'm surprised it's allowed in the tribs at all. It makes a perfect cover for the guy whose out to snag a fish one way or another and given all the sensitivity to foul hooking fish the "LAW" has.

Appreciate the info BGS

I know the Selkirk Shores ramp is better but it's a bit of a boat ride to the mouth of the Salmon, isn't it?

VERY GOOD SIR !

Your explanation makes sense to me, a very scientific thinker.

This is so interesting. Keep up the discussion. It's a great learning experience for me.

THANKS GUYS

Huskyjerk

I been saying the samething for years! I also fish that manmade clusterf#%k of a lake, I've tried the same lures that work on lake o !! I mean an alewife is an alewife!! Its almost like the fish In "o" are genetically implanted to chase them lures!! You should see the looks I get when I send the big John otter boats out on that lake! I tell people it's crowd control for the jet ski 's!!!

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Hey Bliner, do you run the otters out for walleye at night up at the big O?

I asked the same recently about softbodies after looking at a bunch intended for stripers. The bodies on the spoons used here are about the same size as the baitfish so I assume it's the flash and motion but the effectiveness of flasher/fly combos surprises me. This is my first year trolling so it's all new to me.

I know the flasher is supposed to attract attention to the following lure especially when trolling deep where light penetration dissipates.

Huskyjerk

I been saying the samething for years! I also fish that manmade clusterf#%k of a lake, I've tried the same lures that work on lake o !! I mean an alewife is an alewife!! Its almost like the fish In "o" are genetically implanted to chase them lures!! You should see the looks I get when I send the big John otter boats out on that lake! I tell people it's crowd control for the jet ski 's!!!

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You got a TROPHY?

I got a TROPHY 20ftr and love it! Bought it new in '95 took it 20mi offshore of SANDY HOOK NJ

Is it legal to vertical jig inside the breaker walls at Oswego and Salmon rivers?

Any of you guys ever try this?

http://www.onthewater.com/fishing/lake- ... ap-otw-tv/

YES I DID FOR A LITTLE WHILE !

Two years ago, in the Oswego estuary while many of the Charters were trolling in tight circles inside I decided to try vertical jigging through the marks on the finder but I quit because of the dirty looks and negative body language I experienced, And no I wasn't in the trolling path but rather in the center of their "circle" well clear of any trollers. I surmised that it wasn't legal because the case could be made that I was attempting to snag fish. So I quit and felt embarrassed. Does anyone know for certain if it is legal?

Everywhere Ive ever fished Ive striven to "match the hatch" so to speak. For instance, here in PA at Beltzville Lake we have hybrid stripers that feed heavily on alewives. The ideal setup is to lure the herring to an underwater light then capture some live and live line them for the stripers. The next best of course is to troll lures that imitate most exactly the alewife. The silver and black Rapala Huskyjerk is a high percentage choice because it looks like an alewife. What I'd like to know is why does it seem that the lures used for the trout and salmon in lake Ontario look nothing like the alewives they've been chasing and eating all summer? I never heard anyone suggest using a Huskyjerk or a Storm Shad or any of the other "rubber" swimming tail imitations. I'd be interested in hearing some discussion on this subject. What is it I don't understand about your guys choice of lures. I love the science of it all. I think it's fascinating.

off piers and in tribs, but this should not ruin the image of guys who enjoy the challenge of fair fishing fall pacific run salmon

Captian, explain "the challenge of fair fishing" please.

also, am I correct in saying that the salmonoids follow the huge schools of herring all summer long all over the lake. And that all the lures with all the various names are in fact attempting to imitate the herring (alewife). AND then would it not be prudent to show them something at the mouths of the rivers they are heading into that resembles the food fish they have been following and eating for so long?

Thanks for responding

Since the salmoniods have been eating alwives etc. out in the lake why wouldn't fishing inside with alewife imitations be a good thing, for instance, streamers or lures like the huskyjerk etc drifted or cast and retrieved to mimic the wives? Is it legal to attach such a lure to the end of the line in the same fashion you must for egg sac drifting? Also, do the salmon actually take the egg sac or does the line become trapped in their gaping mouths until the sac slides up to the jaw and the hook becomes impaled in the jaw? This has been a bone of contention for so long since I know that spawning fish do not eat.

Ok guys bat this around awhile please.