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That's funny you asked that question, I was just talking about that last night also, I would think that what ever is legal for the street should be legal for a boat(that's my thought maybe not the law) I do know that some tint is to dark for the law. Maybe some well seasoned boat owners, will chime in with what's the law. PAP.

In black river bay still... No way headed out any further this weekend in my 17+' deep V. Lake is rough. Everleigh Point I think it's called? North shore of BRB. That's the name that showed up on my Nav card anyway. Im not familiar with the area at all... First time up here. I'd say it was a success. Thanks to sammyslayer for some tips. Was nice sharing reports in real time on the water and trolling the same route lines. 40-55 FOW and caught fish suspended between 15-28' all on riggers. Green/Black/Silver Stinger was the $ spoon.

FleetTracker, I fish Black River Basin for years, we have a camper in Black river camp ground, I Haven't got up this year yet other than to open up, when you said you had some success trolling, were they walleye? if so grate to hear, I have a lot of success in that area, and in the river, I might be able to give you some info about that area if needed. Good luck, PAP.

Thanks to all that cleared this new to me set up, it sounds quite effective and a easy way to add another weapon to the game. When I recover from my fall off the ladder 6/8 weeks, I will definately give this a shot. Thanks again folks, this site is full of great guys with a wealth of information!!!!! PAP

I didn't want to ask, what is a fixed slider clip/release in Bob's Boys amazing and well equipped posts, everyone is so glued to this masterpiece of put togethers I know I will certainly miss all the action when it's all over. So I started a new thread and so my question is what is a fixed slider release? where would one use this piece? I never used such a thing, or heard of it. would appreciate any info on this as I am curious to hear what it is and where it would be used, thanks PAP.

That is a true piece of art and talent, I showed my wife and she said that she could handle that as a end table or a coffee table center piece. That being said all my deer mounts are down in my reloading room. So that's a 2 thumbs up for what you got going on. Now I would like to say, that you taking all the time to create such a master piece and multiple ones at that really says something about your self, I would love to have a true piece of art given to me, whether I won or how ever it was given to me. First class work!!!! And devotion.

Just installed a new Lowrance Elite 7 HDI  fishfinder/chart/gps. On the sonar I get alot of vertical "static lines" on the screen & was told it might be bad grounds in the boat.The faster I go the worst it gets.  It is worst when I am using the trolling motor than with the main motor .  My question is where does one start looking for bad grds. & where is the main grd found on a boat?  Any good ideas?   Thanks!

Is your boat I/O or outboard, all main grounds come from neg. side of battery to engine block,check the neg cable for corrosion and the terminals for the same and the the connections for tightness,are you. Using the same battery for troller and starting? Where are you getting the ground and power from, the fuse panel, or did you run new leads from a different power source?

Thanks guys, I have a feeling it's not going to be good. The doctors said if it's just badly sprained I should be able to put weight on it by Sunday, well that's not the case, not even close!! We will see what the MRI says and go from there. Keep the fishing reports coming, it seems like some guys are doing rather well, so keep the trend going!!!!! PAP

WOW, man you are one lucky guy, best of luck to a speedy recovery, don't worry there will always be kings just begging to get hooked by YOU!!! Get well and take care of your self. I'm stiiing on the couch with my leg in a cast, waiting for Monday, to get a MRI on my knee. I fell of a ladder pressure washing the 2nd story of my house, I don't remember anything, but my wife and twin girls screaming are you alright!!!! So when I got my bearings together, I didn't need to call 911 but I really screwed my knee up, I don't have any broken bones but they don't want me to move my leg till the get the MRI results, my pain is very intense, I had back surgery 2 years ago I'm soooo glad I didn't screw that up again. Like one posted, these reports are really nice to read when you can't be out there with the boys, I consider my self lucky also. Keep us guys out of commission, in tune with what's going on,Thanks PAP.

I have tried this idea with pretty good success, I attach a 4# down rigger ball with a 2 foot 30# wire leader to my main 12# rigger (I use the pancake style) ball, that way I can keep my main ball 2 foot off the bottom and my rigs out of the clam shells and the mud, while creating the smoke to fly with the 4# ball and if I get snagged it's only a small ball that gets lost while the 30# leader snaps way before the rigger cable, so you don't lose everything. Works for me, If someone has a better idea, I would like to hear your way of doing things. Thanks pap. 

Nice trout TRP39, welcome to the best information highway any where in the USA. this site is truly a great site, I have learned so much from the great members on here, I have asked the most dumbest questions on here, and they have replied back, that's not a dumb question, here is the solution to your problem, and it worked!!! If you ask a question and no one can answer it on here, then you don't know what your asking, or your that dumb you don't belong behind the wheel of a boat, or your to dangerous to even own a fishing pole. One way or another these guy's will head you in the right direction. Good luck and be safe out there, and don't hesitate to ask, what I'm doing wrong!! Pap.

Talking about dumb, I got your name wrong TPR 39 I apologize, sometimes my mind is a head of my fingers

Nice trout TRP39, welcome to the best information highway any where in the USA. this site is truly a great site, I have learned so much from the great members on here, I have asked the most dumbest questions on here, and they have replied back, that's not a dumb question, here is the solution to your problem, and it worked!!! If you ask a question and no one can answer it on here, then you don't know what your asking, or your that dumb you don't belong behind the wheel of a boat, or your to dangerous to even own a fishing pole. One way or another these guy's will head you in the right direction. Good luck and be safe out there, and don't hesitate to ask, what I'm doing wrong!! Pap.

Chase hit the nail right on the head, with that year motor you MUST run a lead additive, like he said the lead acts like a cushion between the valve seat and the valve head, and all the other components like the valve springs and the keepers, and the rings in the cylinders, they are made of cast and need the lead for lubrication, I have a 1983 Sea Ray that I rebuilt the entire engine, but used the same valves and heads, they were fueley 202 heads, big intake and exhaust valves and they also ran leaded fuel in this motor, I also used cast rings for a quicker seat time which also require lead for a lubricant, this type fuel makes more low end torque and horsepower, the lead additive I use I buy at Advance Auto, it's cheap compared to using the newer heads just to run unleaded gas, the modern heads just don't make horse power like the old stuff. I also bored the cylinders 30 over so my engine displacement is 355 cubic inches and with the cam I put in it trolls right down to 1.8 mph without using sea bags or a troll plate using 89 octane fuel with the lead additive, works sweet!!

Your voltage regulator puts out voltage according to your battery condition and load it is carrying. A fully charged battery should read about 12.5 volts and it has a 1.5 volt resistance internally. Your voltmeter will read 14 volts with the engine running and higher voltages like 14.7 volts to charge and carry the load you have connected to it. This may be where you see the increased reading on your gauges.

Jimski2 is absolutely correct, Your Bat. completely charged up should read 12.5 volts and the Alt. should be at minimal should be 13.8 to 14.2, This is a marine application, street apps. 14.2 - 14.8, the reason they run a marine at 13.8 is under NORMAL conditions is to keep the battery from over charging, with long period of time running with min. load to battery. Now once you add all the electronics and down riggers ect, the load you are putting on the battery the ALT, regulator will sense and it will put out more amps. and with more amps comes more voltage, this is normal. If you ever had a machine with a amp gauge when you run the starter it will show a negative swing in the gauge, when motor starts it shows a big swing to the charge side and as it runs it comes back to just about the center, just a tad to the positive side of the gauge, the alt. is doing the same game, just showing it in volts. All gauges are insulated so the only way you would have a draw coming from the metal plate is a leaky ground on one of the gauges, possible, but I would lean towards human error, a hot wire touching a ground just enough to effect the Instrument panel and not blow a fuse or breaker. Take the hot wire off each gauge one at a time to see if problem goes away, if nothing changes return the hot wire and go to the next gauge, so on then repeat same steps with the ground wires, if that doesn't cure the problem, then the problem lies somewhere else. Hope this helps F&F Starter & Alt. Owned & Operated by PAP.

Holy crap, I don't think I ever saw sooooo  many spoons in one place owned by 1 person. If you decide to split it up, I would like the LAKER stuff!!!Please pm me when you decide to do it, I hope for you sake that it sells all in one shot, but if it doesn't, let's talk. PAP.

I used a 15 horse Johnson for years 2 stroke on a 18ft Troller that worked great, I still have it and it's going on my new to me 22ft Sea Ray cuddy it's a long shaft and I never had a problem with it. It brought me in to dock one time when I lost 2 cylinders on my 90 Evinrude all the way from the back of Galloo to Henderson Harbor in 3fters, I was never so happy to see the break walls at the mouth of Henderson, we ran the 2 cylinders on the main engine and the 15 horse Evinrude wide open to keep the bow up, I wouldn't be on lake O' without a backup motor!! It wasn't bad because both engines were 2 strokers. I always ran Amsoil smokeless oil it cost a little more, but you weren't chocked to death with fumes.

Fish -On I was wondering if you put any thought into the building of the rod trees, if so what do you think it would cost, you can look up fish on web site they have a really good picture of a 3 pole tree and maybe you could weld a plate on the bottom for anchoring the tree where we would need it, also maybe put a plate on the top/side for planer board reels, I'll buy 2 if it can be done? thanks PAP.

Yea... I'm hoping it doesn't push the browns too far... Guess its time to buy a temp probe /:(

I  wouldn't jump to a purchase just yet, if you have a surface temp on your depth finder that's all you need in the shallows of the Black River basin, let the finder do the work. Try drifting around the bouys and see if anything shows up on the finder, try to stay outside the pack of boats, my personal preference is the north side that would be the green bouy side, watch for a pile of rocks about at the last green bouy you will bottom up beware been there and it's not fun. Don't get discussed right away as I have caught them in the middle of the day 1or 2 Oclock pm. more than once!! And also I have caught them over Memorial Day weekend in the middle of the day. The best fishing conditions are when the wind comes strait up the bouys towards the river, I guess the that would be south west, when you wind drift up to where the river current stops you then go back out to the last bouy and pick a different pass, a good drift takes about 1/2 hour drifting at 1.5 or less I use # 5 Colorado deep dish blades for they don't take much speed to turn them, in hammered copper was always my best harness with ruby red beads and 3 red drop shot hooks, and hook the worm with the first hook as close to the nose as possible, learned that from a charter captain he said that was very important  cause live bait that swims don't swim with their head bent, it works we tried both ways and the worm that was the most strait did the best. In the mid 80s, the water was a emerald green and you didn't need to be so stealth like, but now it's different I use 8# fluro. Hope all this helps you and good luck Saturday. I already to two man tickets the first day, with 8 to 6# fish they are there, just have to be patient, that's the name of the game PAP.

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  I made an "electronics only" scouting run Saturday to BRB and Sunday to Chaumont/Guffin bay. Regarding Chaumont/Guffin, no baitfish schools to be found at all, and therefore very little fish to be found. Regarding BRB there were "Very few" baitfish schools found and very few fish as well. Most of the fish must be in either less than 8FOW, in the rivers or still out in the main lake. I spent 7 hours each day looking with Side Imaging 2D sonar and Marcum camera. Chaumont search was done from Shangri La and inshore. Black River Bay search was done from Everliegh/Horse island and inshore. Not much going on out there yet as of this past weekend!  Also, the bugs were absolutely terrible.

 

Surface temps 51 deg., temp at 50FOW 43 deg.

Thanks Tugger for the walleye report, now I don't feel bad for missing the first day, got a late start on the last to do list for the boat. With all this cold weather, maybe in 2 weeks it should be good, and I will be up in time to hit them good. Again thanks for the WALLEYE report PAP.

If the 12.5#  torpedo's do the trick down to 100-110 with minimal blow back that's the route I'm going to take. The 12# pancakes I have now do well down to 70-80ft, then they just give up and blow back a lot, so the 12.5# torpedo's should buy me another 30-40ft and that will do me just well without killing my rigger motors. I'm mostly a weekend, and maybe a full week once a year fisherman, so I think with a little common sense I should be ok. Thanks guys for your input I will definitely use your knowledge to my benefit, that's what this site is all about. Thanks again PAP. 

Thanks guys, I have 2 of the pancake style at 12# and at over 110ft the blowback is terrible, I also have cannon riggers, they are the old style with no auto stop, they are electric but everything is manual they are very strong so I don't think 14.5# would be to much for the old girls LOL.

PAP  I have four older Proos riggers that won't handle the heavy weights,so use 10 pound torpedoes off my two side riggers and 10 pound balls off my back two. I hardly fish more than 100 feet down here on Seneca and Cayuga. The 10 pound torps run very well. Plus I fish slow for lakers with them. Sometimes I use 8 pound balls off my back riggers and run them shallow.  I have never heard much about the pancakes. But the way they are shaped,you would think they would cut the water good and run without much blowback. You are probably going have to do some more expermenting with different weights. Good luck. Troutman 87

What # torpedo weights do you have, from at least 12# on up, then I will make a decision , and get 2 of whatever #s I need, also do the torpedoes have a tail eyelet,  because I run a release right off the back of the weight for Lakers, sorry for all the questions, just want to make sure I get what I need the first time. PAP

In general, what # rigger weight do most of you guys run, and what shape or style do you use. (fish, torpedo) any input would be great. PAP

PAP I don't run either of these weights myself,I just make them. Everyone that I have sold torpedoes to really likes them. And I have sold a lot of them. I believe the way the torpedoes are shaped it would seem less blowback than the fish. My 14 pound fish weights have a straight tail and putting a bend in them might be tough as they are kinda thick. The 10 pound fish I make can be bent easily. Also I don't think that you could bend the fin on my torpedoes. Hope this helps. Troutman 87

what rigger weights do you run, and how much blow back do the ones you run have, I've got 12# weights, they are the pancake type with a aluminum tail, and they blow back a lot, what do you think I should get, fish around 80,120ft mostly thanks for any input. PAP,

Is the NEW  life vest law  a must  be on year round, or just a must have thing in the spring & fall, didn't know either, but want to be sure of the law, this sport is expensive enough just with out donating to the long arm of the law. Thanks PAP. 

Thanks that answered my question while I was writing the above post!!

Is the NEW  life vest law  a must  be on year round, or just a must have thing in the spring & fall, didn't know either, but want to be sure of the law, this sport is expensive enough just with out donating to the long arm of the law. Thanks PAP.