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  1. 23 hours ago, chinook35 said:

    Save your money. Snubbers aren’t needed if you set your releases so that the weight stays in the water at all times

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    we are in the wrong business to save money lol.  the snubbers are under $10 and that is great insurance to me. i ran those same cannons and the stops are much more abrupt than other riggers. even if weight stays in water it is still a jolt. not to mention your release is still in the water if you have no snubber between it and the weight

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  2. Dear LOTSA member:
        Over the years our Salmon School and monthly club meetings have provided LOTSA members with invaluable information from experienced fishermen and Charter Captains.  Many of these tips and techniques have directly led to some impressive catches including multiple derby and tournament cashing entries.
         We are taking it a step further by moving the class from the classroom to the lake with our first installment of a hands on Salmon School Charter.  This will be a full day charter from 6am to 2pm and you will be involved in the daily routine of a Charter Captain from gear selection,  decisions where to start fishing, deployment tactics, tackle choices and presentations, organizational tips, etc... This will  be a catch and release trip and we will practice those techniques also.
        The trip is only open to current LOTSA members and limited to 2 people per sign up.  The total number for the day will be open to 6 people and is being run on Sun June 9th from Wilson.  The Teaching Trip will run on TWO BULLS SPORTFISHING with Captain Joe Gallo. Contact Joe directly at 716-998-2296, [email protected] or www.twobullssportfishing.com to make arrangements.  This is a first come first serve basis and receipt of payment locks in your spot.  In the event of bad weather, refunds will be given if a make up trip cannot be arranged.
      Cost is $75 per person and  all proceeds from this class go directly to the pen projects in Olcott and Wilson to help sustain our world class fishery.
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  3. look at www.fishthief.com    best snubbers for riggers and trolling.  especially if you have cannons with such a hard stop.   the snubbers will also keep your weight just below water surface when autostop activates thereby eliminating the jerking on the ball when boat is pitching when the weight is out of the water.  i would also save the money on termination kits and just use wire knot with no crimps

  4. 2 hours ago, p3434 said:

    I think you guys r thinking to much . I have the new fishhawk . If my rigger cable is down 100 ft and my fishhawk says 85 ft . But my fish finder is marking fish at 92 ft . I’m ok with that . I want my lures above the fish not below them . If the rigger fires , I’ll put it back down to the same spot . Don’t over think fishing . emoji226.pngemoji226.pngemoji226.png

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    you are a 100% correct when you say reproducing something successful is the most important part of fishing. but the more  info you have will help your success rate.    it is highly unlikely, as you state, that your rigger will ever show higher on your graph than it is down in real depth,   you can choose to ignore the facts but it  doesnt mean that they arent real and useful tools in setting your program.  you say you want to put your gear just above the fish and again you couldnt be more accurate. but the formula i gave will help you understand exactly how it works and can help you get in the right spot


  5. in this example your rigger depth is C (70ft).. the distance away from tranducer with blow back is B (30ft).  that would make the distance from transducer to weight A ( roughly 76-77 ft  ) and that is how "deep" it would appear on your graph. the deeper C is and further back B is the more exaggerated A will be.  


    and yes i know the diagram is not drawn to scale. 


  6. 11 hours ago, garrymny said:

    Never thought of that! because of blowback- ball dragging, correct? Thanks Joe.But its probably close I would surmise. 


    a squared = b squared + c squared. look at a pic of the pythagorean theorum. it doesnt have to be close at all. the deeper the ball and more blow black then the "deeper" it will appear on your graph. yest i was in 200 foot of water with a rigger down 150ft. it looked like it was dragging bottom on graph. in reality it was probably 60foot above the bottom.  


    sonar measures DISTANCE from transducer, not DEPTH. the only time the two are the same is when the object is directly under the transducer.   this is why fish "arc" on sonar as it starts at a greater distance, then under it, then moves away in the cone.   if you look at the diagram, 'A' represents the distance that the transducer is seeing your weight with the top tip of the triangle being the transducer and the far right corner of the triangle being the weight.  if you were to to transpose that line parallel to 'C' it would be much longer, which is why it appears deeper than it actually is

  7. 56 minutes ago, nysrx01 said:

    A lot of people don't realize that. They say I can see it on my fishfinder. But depending on speed and depth and the angle you can be way shallower than what the FF shows. But how does the FX 4 D compensate for the angle. 


    it measures water pressure that is sent to the head unit by way of the transducer.. on any given day my x4d probe can be down 80ft as per rigger counter yet read down 100 ft on the fish finder, but yet the actual depth probe could be 70ft

  8. 35 minutes ago, garrymny said:

    Also, I can see my weight on my fish finder, so I know how deep it is. I have to set my fish finder frequency to medium chirp to see it. So you can use your fish finder too. If you see the ball is at 80 feet on the FF, but the counter says 60, just disenhe gear, turn until counter reads 80, and reengage.

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    your weight is not at the same depth as your sonar shows it. it appears deeper on screen than it actually is because of the hypotenuse of right angles

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