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  1. Another quick observation on my divers. On setting 2 they were only going out maybe 10 ft. max from the boat. Is that normal? Seems they should have been a bit further from the boat. Wire rods, 1.8 Knots, 120 ft of line out. ANd yes it was set on the correct side/setting. Oh, I had two Deeper divers size 5. 124mm. Only two divers and two riggers we were using. Seemed a bit like they were getting a little too close to our riggers which we like at a slight angle off the corner of boat. Maybe next time run riggers straight out the back, IDK. But, I'd never get two divers off the same side of boat at this rate. WOuldn't happen. Should be able to set two divers off same side and the riggers off the back. I didn't want to use the size 4 divers, But if I used the #4s would I run them inside and the #5 outside? OR even a size 3 inside? Would that help get it further out? ( from boat that is ) And of course would have inside or closest diver maybe upright or good angle or do I want BOTH almost flat to the water?
  2. Not a big Lake Trout guy but we want to find Lakers off this area I call 'the bowl". We tried out to 80 FOW yesterday did not even mark a fish. Temps were 50F on bottom in 10 FOW. IDK if that is carrying out to 100? We do not have a probe, just 'poor mans pool therm on end of a rod ". LOL Don't laugh it works just to get you in the ballpark. We just decided to put the riggers on bottom with cowbells and two divers mid way up the column. We marked ZERO fish. In this area do we need to get out further and mark fish first? WIth no real way to know the temps down there other than sending the pool therm. down. Is the thermocline right now possibly non existent til we get out to over 100 fow? I thought for sure we'd see fish in 80. But that particular area of the lake? I am wondering where would you go from there? Twards the trench? OR towards the stack? That is a LONG way for us in a small 19' aluminum. Thanks.
  3. When you say get in the way, what setting would you run them on IF you were? I was thinking a 3 to get them further away as long as we are in relatively shallow water this time of year. 100-120fow. Our riggers are off to the corners and at an angle. I mean we could put them straight back. Still contemplating even bothering with the FF but with water so cold right now..
  4. Thanks for the info. I did get the point of higher mast height but just more concerned about the lines crossing or touching unless that front rod is high or even all of them for that matter. As short of a distance from the boat as we can get away with ( board ) is going to be highest angle so I guess we experiment. And yes indeed the inlines we can get a real nice spread with 3 per side.
  5. New or don't really do much Laker fishing. So we are gonna target them this week with the riggers. Question. With two riggers down, not sure yet if we will run two cowbwells with spinners or one might have just a spoon. Can I run two dipsys maybe out on setting 2, try to bounce bottom then pull a little line in? or very close to bottom and run a spoon or even a flasher/fly combo? ANyone ever have any success with that? Just trying to get a couple more rods out there near close to bottom. Or will the divers be sort of up and down too much not steady? I would think that might trigger a strike, IDK.
  6. I am a relative newbie to the Lake O. Ten years now trolling, but also make my own I sort of make some with my touch of the classic ATomik flys. The basic theme to me are almost always varius shades of green with some glow maybe, Bill Saiff has a great video on HIS own personal choices. You can basically pick up on that and go from there. I throw some black and purple in some of mine too. I think if you just search or see what everyone is using, you will get a good feel for some of the store bought and proven flys then go from there, offshoot your own, 'copy', and anythng in between. Hulk Fly, Mooneye, Glow/Chartreuse, Black/Chartreuse/Purple are some of Saiffs I have seen the colors. Casey P. ( Dirty goose SF ) will have good videos of what he used that day too. UV 190 41 Fly Stud Fly Mirage fly. BUt I've seen many flys with the marage color mixed in different patterns. SOme of the ones off top of my head. there are dozens and dozens.
  7. First, I am sorry this topic is probably beat to death, maybe someone steer me to a thread on this here I couldn't find it. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, I could be but it just does not make sense what my fishing buddy was doing. So, we have a small 19' aluminum and decided to try/install a mast with larger boards, since we have been using inline boards with good success for early season Browns ( three per side with minimal issues ). He wanted to try the mast system for various reasons not getting into right here. It was all set up and I could not go so by buddy took his wife to drive and sort of get the feel for seting things up more smoothly for next time. He sent me a pic and he had REVERSED pretty much the rod holders angles; so now the 'front' rod ( closest to Bow) was at a pretty severe angle and he said he had that rod going to the furthest out or closest to the board. Next rod back was higher angle, then last rod back was almost flat. This makes no sense whatsoever to me, I think he was just experimenting, getting the hang of it but I am surprised he did not have a tangled Cluster #@$ or shafed lines. TO ME, it should have been left exactly the same way we always have had it..... Closest rod towards the bow is almost straight up or close or whatever and this is your furthest rod out, the next back towards stern more of an angle and is middle , then 3rd rod almost flat is closest to boat, and a 4th is flat for flat line or dipsy closest to stern. This way, every rod can go "up and over" the next rod and allow to get your fish to the 'fighting zone' out back. Or I've even seen all rods fairly straight up or whatever. The other way makes no sense to me physically. IDK how it can be done really. And we should separate the rods a little more with the mast system? RIght now for inlines we have more a cluster maybe 8" apart. And I've read articles that higher is better for the mast, I get it. Dont' know if we will have any problems in that regard yet until we really get going on it, I think its 6 ft.
  8. I have a large dogsled touring business and use Ian Foster, he is in MI and says he does a lot of Charters. He saved me tons after my local ins. went up. Give him a shout, never know. Ian Foster - Mourer Foster Inc.
  9. I raise trout in 4 ponds ( brooks, browns and rainbows ) and have studied brook trout color here too with respect to letting them eat mostly bugs, insects, fathead minnows vs mostly top grade fish kibble with a lot of fishmeal/krill as the main ingredients. I have found that the fishmeal/krill fish food will tend to make the meat more pink than a fish that is left to feed mostly on those pond things ( 2 days of automated feed from pellets ). WHen a fish is fed pellets of a lesser grade ( a lot of corn and wheat midlings, fillers, etc.) the meat will turn almost pure white. Not even grey. The taste will vary from more a 'muddy' flavor slightly when fish are eating insects, grubs, worms and more mild when fed more minnow/fish based kibble diet. SO, on the Lake O, I would assume the same, minus kibble of course but the same basic idea. But I only am going off my own observations past 10 yrs here. I also wonder about prey species that may eat a lot of plant material in addition to other small fish in the end result predator's flesh color? ALewwives may consume more of the crustaceans, shrimp, etc.
  10. I think the largest browns we got past several years based Soley on Month of the year has been Early June, late May. One nice one 12# end of April. Same for the rainbow we got a real nice one I think May 1st ish. We were closer to shore in less than 40 fow in small boat. So we were limited. Love this forum, great folks willing to help out.
  11. The slits dont' bother the line any after a few uses?
  12. Wasn't sure if I should have posted this in tackle thread or not? But question on how does everyone store thier flashers and flys? I have been storing flys separate from the flashers because when the flashers are put in my plastic tote with the flys attached a lot of flys get squashed. Or don't worry about it? All crinkled up and such. Heres photo of what I have been doing, with the flys tossed in a smaller container and when we head out I just pre-load the flasher/fly combo's I want for the first couple hours. Is this kosher? or any easier way to keep/store the flashers with fly on without getting squashed or having a very large plastic bin? Been doing this for a few years now looking for a 'better' way. Thanks.
  13. Pisco just posted videos from yesterday ( Thurs) catching browns in the Lake just off of SR. Said there was still some ice in river but past two days its been 40s. Easily put in a lightweight 17 footer off Pine Grove. A friend launched his fairly heavy Penn Yann off there last Fall.
  14. How big a boat? Pine Grove may be open soon? Its right on the mouth of SR. Pine Grove Boat Launch (ny.gov) Saturday the 12th most of this area ( Pulaski,Port Ontario) is expecting 6-10" of SNOW. So not sure, I'd probably be thinking another 2 weeks. Not so sure if Mexico Point launch is looking like, could be some logs or ice in there still. Mexico Point Boat Launch (ny.gov)
  15. I did not switch subject to braid, people just started taking over the post. LOL NO big deal. I have decided to keep at the wire. Related..... in a pinch can twili tips be used with mono ? or will it "melt' the line? or whatever?
  16. Thanks guys. I think I have a good grasp on the dipsy set up and such, it was the early browns I was referring to sorry. About the swivel set up. I see Bill Saiff using just a snap on the spoons with his swivel up at the mono/flouro where that meets. I was doing that but just figured try a snap WITH the swivel already attached on the business end and then my mono to flouro will be tied. Do people think the browns or anything else would SEE the swivel with snap ( with the extra noise too maybe? IDK ) We are not using divers at that time except out in 25 fow I had luck with TripZ divers and a couple mini divers. Set at 20 ft or whatever at the time. We also used weighted lines with 1oz or whatever, depends where we were. But does it really matter if I use just a small snap ( no swivel) at the spoon and put my swivel up 10 ft or whatever VS ( simpler to me ) tie the mono/flouro and put small lightweight 30# swivel/snap at the business end? For early browns this is. Not out in 'open water' out further. I have all my dipsies and flashers set up like the photo above. Sk8man thanks for the info on 'wheres my diver' . lol Appreciate all that.
  17. Thanks for all this stuff guys. And rather than post this next question in another thread I'll ask here while I seem to have a lot of guys here. LOL Charts are based on Mono, how far 'off" is wire or just follow the chart and call it good? Or let a little bit less out? I was wondering exactly where my divers where when I had over 200 ft. out and I was using charts based on mono is what they all say. Rule of thumb? for wire Thanks. And this doesn't belong here but swivels. Should I put a swivel/snap on the end right on the bait end? Or I had SPRO swivels size 8 where mono was, then at the bait end was just a snap. Does this make any difference in presentation? ( especially early browns ) ?? with spoons. Or can I just tie my mono to the leader then at the very end a swivel with the snap? Any thing adventageous to either method? or not so advantageous?
  18. I will STILL try the slide divers just because I like a challenge and always like finding new things and new methods. However, it probably won't be while we are fishing. Just take the boat out to 30fow or whatever and experiment. I appreciate all the different things here all related, everything is related somehow. like in Nature. Thanks all.
  19. When the browns were in say 30fow we had good luck with the mini divers and tripZ divers. They did pretty well off boards believe it or not. IDK about slide divers yet. lol Gotta get the whole wire thing down first after we head out deeper. Thanks all
  20. Was mentioned, but thanks for posting. I will do this next time out. All I did was, well, we have a 300 ft driveway so I hooked it on the garage and went out and down the road then reeled in about 400 ft of it at tension. LOL
  21. 700 ft? lol. I think I'm sticking with wire after all this. LOL Thanks guys.
  22. I was wondering about cutting the kinks and re 'tying'. Use shrink wrap? You think the kinks are usually from line twisting or not enough tension when originally spooled? So far, I've used wire maybe 6 trips. Not TOO much problems, but more to learn for sure. Thanks all. Appreciated. Merry Xmas.
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