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  1. Lucky13
    " We got here three hours before it was legal to be here, and left for lunch at the Altmar, but now that we have finished our 6 beers and an order of fries, we are back and it is our spot because we were here first."
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    http://public.leginfo.state.ny.us/lawssrch.cgi?NVLWO: This proposal only applies to wildlife Fish are NOT Wildlife. Fish and Wildlife Law has a section of definitions and the actual law (11-0103 6.a.) reads: “6. a. "Wildlife" means wild game and all other animal life existing in a wild state, except fish, shellfish and crustacea.”
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    I want to point out that what Rick said about lake fishers getting their limit and going in and stopping fishing may be true of charter operators who might be able to get a 6 hour trip done in 3 and pick up another at the docks, but there were a lot of hero shots and double digit C+R tales told on this website starting with BrownTrout fishers last February, and continuing right up until the kings started getting tight lips in August, and then they were offshore steelhead hero shots and big boxes, and there are a lot more boats out there than just the charter operators. Both groups (trib and lake) have their sore arm facebook junkies! Every steelhead that goes back in the river is in better shape for the future than the one that went into the trunk of a jersey wagon. When the thiamenase problem reared up, reports came right in of deads in the river and the estuary, this is not happening with the droppies, and I caught a few last spring and they were in surprisingly good condition and silvering up fast after spawning. And a lot of them get tagged by Brown fishers trolling off the tribs, how do you deal with that extra stress?
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    A lot of people who work in science for government are exempt from the overtime provisions of the Fair Labor Standards Act, so while they may accrue the hours, it will be as straight time, not time and a half. Hats off to Steve Hurst, though, he was driving back to Albany after the meeting. These guys are hardworking civil servants, and the ambitious plans and “outcomes” presented last night will have them working even harder.
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    Bill Hilts jr will likely write it up for NY Outdoor News, or Davis Figura will have one in the Syracuse paper.
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    C'mon, Jerry you can read! The proposal says Wildlife, and that excludes fish. Even the Vegans exclude insects, every time a plow runs down a furrow in a carrot field, worms and other insects die! Your fly elimination program is likely safe forever. Even the most rabid “you can’t kill anything” nuts take their antibiotics!
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    Lots of folks eat at McDonald's, too!
  8. Lucky13
    I AM getting a bit long in the tooth! I hunted in my late teens and early twenties in eastern southern tier, I had access to a lot of private land, a loaner shotgun, and a landlord who had a freezer I could use. When I moved back to Monroe County, I had only the public land (and Stid Hill and High Tor get “slightly” crowded LOL), no firearm, no freezer, and VERY limited financial resources. As I got older and my bank account grew to where I could afford to go, my job responsibilities and family got in the way, and I had also developed a great liking for fall steelhead fishing, which at least used to peak during southern tier deer season. I have since become involved in an organization that leases a large chunk of ground in the Tug Hill (not to mention the huge amount of state and county land that is available for hunting up there), I have more time as I am retired, and fall steelhead fishing has been less than stellar. The main thing slowing me down now is acquiring all the necessary gear, and I made the incorrect assumption that because my wife used to hunt, she would have no problem with me keeping firearms in the house. SO when I find a solution to that obstacle, I’ll get back out up north and maybe even try some of the spots I’ve learned about over the years here in WNY. A shag season might tip the scales in my favor, I hear they are even better than planked merganser or Driving Park Salmon!!!
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    So, the guy with his pants not pulled up has created a negative attitude toward people who don’t like belts (), that is exactly my point. If you hang a bear in your front yard, you will likely create a bad attitude in the minds of at least some people who drive by your house. I recently read something where the writer spoke about the people who hang their deer at deer camp so they can see whose is biggest. Obviously this writer had no idea about the work that goes into hanging the deer, or the need to quickly cool the meat, or the need to get it up off the ground, or even that the weight is less important to most hunters concerned with the “trophy” aspect than the rack size. If we continue to allow this kind of ignorance to exist, we have only ourselves to blame when the ignorant come to take our “rights” (and the Constitution says you can keep and bear arms but says nothing about hunting). The largest majority of the general population is on the fence about hunting, and the hunting safety instructor is making the point that if our actions, such as posting facebook pictures of a dead baboon or that “cute little mountain lion” we just gutted, push some of the fence sitters into the PETA camp, we are doing all sportsmen a disservice. All the guys dragging black salmon with the milt and eggs oozing all over the sidewalks of Pulaski have pretty much turned the town off to all “fishheads”, and most of the locals only see those guys and the litterers, etc, when they see someone with a fishing rod. The fact that you are allowed by Freedom of Speech to employ a lot of four letter words loudly in public does not equate to everyone being required to elevate you to the same level of respect as a preacher or an orator, people may still decide that you are a crass low life who doesn’t pull up his pants. Same thing for the people who want to beat their chests showing off the “dark side” of the hunting experience, the person they turn off today is the person who will be voting to curtail their activities down the road. If Trump had been tweeting a lot of what he’s tweeted since being in the Whitehouse during the campaign, we might be calling Hillary the President, regardless of his “ Freedom of Speech” to say what he wants. And as my father always pointed out when I played the “FofS” card, you can’t yell fire in a crowded theater.
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    No, I don't hunt (yet) for anything, just thanks for posting it!
  11. Lucky13
    Thanks, Jerry!
  12. Lucky13
    I can see that eating 130 squirrels would not be much of a problem. Those 100 woodchucks might be a little more difficult, even if the competition did a great service to the farmers who have less potential for livestock (or themselves) with broken bones.
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    http://public.leginfo.state.ny.us/lawssrch.cgi?NVLWO: JustTracyTrolling is correct. This proposal only applies to wildlife. Fish and Wildlife Law has a section of definitions and the actual law (11-0103 6.a.) reads: “6. a. "Wildlife" means wild game and all other animal life existing in a wild state, except fish, shellfish and crustacea.” It does appear that it would end the Coyote and Squirrel contests. I stopped hunting about 40 years ago, but recently wanted to start again, so I took the course again in fall 2017. A fair amount of time was given by both the instructor and the ECO who came to one session to the necessity of hunters presenting themselves and their sport in the best possible light, avoiding things like tying a dead animal to the hood (used to be required!) or stopping off at the local Wegman’s wearing the clothes you bloodied up gutting an animal, etc. I believe it may have been the dumpster full of rotting carp at the boat launch that ended the bowshoot on Irondequoit Bay (but I’ll stand corrected if I am wrong, although I knew quite a few people in Sea Breeze that were pretty outraged by the stench.) The average citizen may not be at all aware of the potential damage to pets, and even eventually children, an expanding coyote population could present, and likely has no idea that the best time to hunt them is at night, but if they see or hear the “cuffs and collars” story of the Hamlin guys busted for hunting them from a motor vehicle with multiple unsecured firearms, they are likely not going to have the best impression of the remainder of the coyote hunters who are likely pursuing their quarry exactly as proscribed in the regulations. And braggadocio about blood sports ends up being a really good way for us to shoot ourselves in the foot with the general public as many others have pointed out, not the wisest approach in the modern world.
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    I have not seen SUNY Bingo in 40 years! Study of deer effects on reforestation should be easy right out back in what used to be the nature preserve. I’ve been planning to go down and visit a classmate who just moved back to Binghamton after 40 years on the west coast, but the roller coaster weather has kept me off the roads. Gambler points out the runoff, please remember that there are very few waterbodies around with a population concentrations upstream like the Greece ponds, and Monroe County and towns are the road salt capital of the world. Another possible factor is that the ponds iced over early, and then got that insulating blanket of snow, while some of the later freezers got good exposure to the deep freezes.. But two year old sewage has been reduced to CO2 and H20 a long time ago. I would suggest that this would be a good question to pose to our friends out at SUNY Brockport, the Env Sci bunch is always looking for good questions for graduate students to answer.
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    Oh, OK, that “stuff.” That was two years ago. When I was in college in Binghamton, the Johnson City WWTP used to regularly discharge untreated sewage to the Susquehanna. We would get warnings to eat no fish from the Endicott side downstream as far as Owego ( ~20 miles). Dr. Bruce McDuffy was the professor who discovered all the mercury in tunafish, he came in and did a lecture on environmental problems of state and local governments for a course I was taking, and I asked him about those discharges and how could it be safe to eat the fish in such a short time (no more than 2 days time of travel by river to Owego.) He talked about assimilative capacity, which is the ability of a water body to heal itself after an “insult” like the discharge. Sewage is assimilated pretty quickly, as the natural bacteria “ eat it right up”, what is happening in a controlled environment in a WWTP. Those discharges from 2 years ago are long gone, likely also all the material that came down Northrup Creek for all those years as well, except for the phosphorus adsorbed to all the sediment. Where Sewage discharges are deadly to a water body is when the amount of material and rate of discharge exceed the ability of the receiving body to dissolve oxygen, which then becomes depleted, and then all the oxygen breathers die. But that is rapid, like a few years back when the delivery tanker hooked up to the wrong spigot in Warsaw and dumped molasses into Oatka creek, killing all the fish from there downstream to Leroy over the next day or so. Sugar has a very high Biochemical Oxygen Demand, just like sewage. I am surprised that there is any ice left on those ponds after the temperatures from Saturday around noon until Sunday PM, and the winds since then, melting, evaporation and sublimation got most of the snow pack, and after seeing what the winds did to the Niagara River ice, I’m surprised so many things around here stayed at least a little locked up.
  16. Lucky13
    'Splain please?
  17. Lucky13
    This is just a proposal now, comments until 2/28, if you don’t find Gill-T’s post go to the DEC website. It will not become effective if adopted until 2020.
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    DEC Announces "State of Lake Ontario" Meetings Biologists to Provide Updates on the Status of Lake's Fisheries The public will have the opportunity to learn about the State of Lake Ontario fisheries at public meetings to be held in Niagara, Monroe, Oswego and Schenectady counties in March, New York State Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) Commissioner Basil Seggos announced today. "Lake Ontario and its tributaries provide world-class angling opportunities that are generating substantial recreational and economic benefits to towns and cities along the lake," Commissioner Seggos said. "The State of Lake Ontario meetings provide an excellent opportunity for everyone interested in the lake to interact with the scientists who study and manage its fisheries." New York's Lake Ontario waters comprise more than 2.7 million acres. The open lake, embayments, and tributaries support thriving populations of sportfish, including trout, salmon, bass, walleye, yellow perch, and panfish. A recent statewide angler survey estimated more than 2.6 million angler days were spent on Lake Ontario and major tributaries, resulting in an estimated economic value of $112 million annually to local communities. The meeting dates and locations are: Monday, March 4: 6:30 - 9 p.m. at the Rochester Institute of Technology (RIT) campus (Chester F Carlson Center for Imaging Science), Rochester, Monroe County. The meeting is co-hosted by RIT and the Monroe County Fishery Advisory Board. Thursday, March 7: 6:30 - 9 p.m. at the Cornell Cooperative Extension Building, 4487 Lake Ave., Lockport, Niagara County. The meeting is co-hosted by Niagara County Cooperative Extension and the Niagara County Sportfishery Development Board. Thursday, March 14: 6:30 - 9 p.m. at SUNY Schenectady County Community College, Stockade Building, Room 101, 78 Washington Ave., Schenectady, Schenectady County. Tuesday, March 19: 6:30 - 9 p.m. at the Pulaski High School auditorium, 4624 Salina St., Pulaski, Oswego County. The meeting is co-hosted by the Eastern Lake Ontario Salmon and Trout Association. Staff from DEC and the United States Geological Survey will make a number of presentations, including updates on the status of trout and salmon fisheries in the lake and its tributaries, forage fish, and stocking programs. The meetings will provide ample time at the end of the scheduled program for the audience to ask questions and interact with the presenters. Information about DEC's Lake Ontario fisheries assessment programs can be found on DEC's website. For further information contact Christopher Legard, NYSDEC Lake Ontario Unit Leader at the Cape Vincent Fisheries Research Station, (315) 654-2147. http://www.dec.ny.gov/press/press.html
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    DEC Postpones State of Skaneateles Lake Fisheries Meeting Due to current weather reports for inclement conditions, the New York State Department of Conservation (DEC) is postponing the informational meeting on the current state of Skaneateles Lake's fisheries originally scheduled to take place tomorrow, Tuesday, February 12, 2018 from 6:30-8:30 p.m. in Homer. DEC is rescheduling the meeting for a mid-March date to be announced 7-10 days in advance. http://www.dec.ny.gov/press/77537.html
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    Before someone gets the idea that they would be street legal in Ontario with 5 Pacific salmon, 5 Brown trout, 2 Rainbows, 3 lake trout, and an Atlantic salmon per person per day from the lake see the following from Page 10 of the Ontario Guide: “Throughout the province there are standard aggregate limits for all species of trout and salmon in combination. You may only catch and keep in one day or possess no more than five trout and salmon in total under a Sport Fishing Licence (S–5) or two trout and salmon in total under a Conservation Fishing Licence (C–2). In addition to the aggregate limit, you may not exceed individual species limits where they are otherwise stated. “ With our 3 silvers plus an atlantic plus 2 lake trout, a New York Angler can keep one more than a Canadian, although our mix is more specifically limited..
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    I was cleaning in the basement and came across the 1998 Sutton catalog. The attached may be of use to some of you either for reference on the different sizes and shapes, or for making templates for cutting tape to refurbish older ones that have lost the plating. . Sutton020619.pdf
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    The guys from Jersey want to fill their boxes before they go home. In my case the SR has been C+R for about 15 years now ( now some wise guy will say something about NOT catch, and release, rough getting older )
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    Sometimes you just find a sick(ly) fish. Trolling for Lake Trout in the Fulton Chain, using a lead core rig on an old 9 weight flyrod, I had a hit that I thought was an underize laker, as it came in like a small puppy on a leash. I was very surprised when I looked over the side to net, to see the largest landlocked salmon I’ve ever caught up there, a 26” fish that weighed a little over 6 lbs. If this was the only one I ever caught, I would think all the talk of their great fighting ability was lies. “Post mortem” showed nothing wrong with the fish, and it tasted fine. But as Dave points out, Mysis is down and Diporea is pretty much gone, and that is the bottom of the food chain out there especially for the newly stocked fish. Also seems like there are an awful lot of perch around in bays like Sodus; if the Alewife population is healthy, the perch should be surpressed. .
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    As Dave points out, there are no reports of large numbers of dead trout in any of those tributaries in the fall. There were reports during the thiaminase problem, lots of deads in the pool areas and the estuary then. All trout get released in Douglaston on the Salmon River all year, and they are still getting all they need at the hatchery, plus fishable returns to the fishery all winter. The Salmon is the major dropback river, and it stays cold into late June, and supports some trout and salmon all summer Not saying that some fish don’t die, but the number in most of those studies is not massive.
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    These should keep you busy for a while. Then, please provide some data other than the boat survey on predator distribution out in the Lake, not saying Gambler is wrong, but I know of nothing other than anecdotal information, it's not like anyone is gill netting out there. https://henrysfork.org/files/Rob Blog/C%26R mortality review.pdf http://www.wildsteelheaders.org/science-friday-how-does-catch-and-release-affect-steelhead/ https://www.psmfc.org/steelhead/2016/Bentley_Steelhead_C&R_mortality_Steelhead_Mgmt_Meeting,_March_8,_2016_for_PSMFC.pdf https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165783618301553 Abstract only https://www.researchgate.net/publication/226522409_A_Review_of_Catch-and-Release_Angling_Mortality_with_Implications_for_No-take_Reserves Many abstracts
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