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  1. There's a new sheriff in town. From the May MCFAB minutes: "Lt. Bruce Hummel reported on Law Enforcement efforts on the lower Genesee River during the fall of 2017. For 2017, officers were enlisted from all 11 Counties in Region 8. He said that two officers worked the river in 2016 and together wrote approximately 70 tickets. In 2017, the details issued 188 tickets. After meeting with an Assistant District Attorney to discuss problems that had occurred in the past, Lt. Hummel assigned an ECO to be in court for all the tickets written in Rochester, even at arraignment, which they are normally not required to attend. Individuals who had been charged had the option of pleading at arraignment or going to trial. DEC had a suggested fine structure. The details were effective in getting out the word that DEC was watching the river. Region 8 plans to repeat the effort in 2018 with a more comprehensive data collection effort. He said that EC law allows a fine of up to $250.00 for ECL violations, although because there is also a state surcharge, fines are usually lower than the maximum. A question was asked about alleged “commercial operations” and he reported that while they observed individuals that were taking many fish, the possession limits make it difficult to apprehend people for this as they can have two days limits in possession. There were usually 5 or 6 individuals associated with the vehicles, so they generally had to have more than 35 salmon to be over the limit. They would like to catch some of these operators but are limited in having to identify a buyer at the eventual destination, and the need to track the vehicle as it travels cross state. He estimated that it would require a full time investigator at least 6 months to make a case. He also mentioned that in the City of Rochester there is a large amount of paperwork associated with writing a ticket, as they are required to file a prisoner data report, 4 copies of a supporting deposition, and an arrest report. While this is a lot of additional work, if the ticketed person does not appear in court, an arrest warrant is issued, which all City Police see if they stop the individual for something else. He added that EnCon Law is always happy to respond to callers, and the hotline is 877-457-5680, or an individual ECO can be contacted with the phone numbers included on the DEC website or in the fishing guidebook. "
  2. The fish are difficult to catch, that’s what makes them gamefish. They are a lot easier to catch if people are not standing in the middle of the river right on top of them, and if people are trying to catch them rather than manipulating large amounts of lead to get it up close to the head, and then yanking, or running short drifts through the standing waves so the line gets caught in their teeth, and then yanking. Changing this will require shaming the unethical fisherman, currently a near impossibility during the salmon run, or ticketing, which Region 8 has committed to doing, lets get the other regional LE guys on board. It would help to have some strong statements from NYSDEC fisheries. And I would hope to never again see a picture of a charter captain in a pirate hat “helping” with egg take by lifting hens for NYSDEC staff!!
  3. Thank you very much, Gambler. I have all this bookmarked but never thought of it as a meeting summary, just the summary of the full annual report to the GLFC. If you look at section 9 of the full report (http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/fish_marine_pdf/lorpt17.pdf) Figure 7 indicates that the 5 year and older steelhead have nearly disappeared from what reaches the hatchery. Maybe the “larger fish” genes have just been eliminated from the gene pool. No arguments from me about the ”shyteshow” in September- early October, Rick, but even with patrols assigned to the Genesee last year from all over Region 8, the circus was still going strong. As long as the higher ups in Albany (higher up than NYSDEC) want to sell NYS to every outsider who wants to come and play whatever game they want, we’re going to see more of the same. And the river guides up in P-town don’t help a lot, most of them just teach the west coast sockeye lining technique as necessary for kings, and when the salmon are done and the chrome show up early, like last October, the ‘bows are just more fodder for the cooler for these rippers. The only saving grace there is that most of the yahoos at least follow the one fish limit, but they can certainly put a hurting on a lot of fish with those methods. As to the perceived “ fight,” I only pointed out the data that is out there about harvest, I would love to see everyone working together for improvement of the fishery, and especially the ethics.
  4. State of the Lake Meeting Minutes? I have my notes, and the LO unit annual reports, but have never seen recaps of the meetings.
  5. The contention made by Gambler was that the decline in large 'bow attributable to increased popularity of tributary angling. The data that is out there indicates that 86% of steelhead caught in the Salmon River are released and slightly less than 50% of steelhead reported in the boat survey are released. Gambler's "theory" is that mortality is caused by C+R. Mine is that large fish stay out in the lake for a year or more longer and now are finding less to eat, hence, lower peak size. There were a lot of Steelhead in the tribs last year and large numbers of dropbacks into May in the Salmon and June in the Niagara, so C+R does not automatically result in mortality. I think the important data for this fall will be the age of all the Salmon that are filling everyone's boxes. Are they robust two year olds, Steve Lapan’s” eating machines capable of growing to 30+ lbs” or are they scrawny three year olds that have to work hard to find those big baitballs before they can get a meal. If the former, happy days are here again, if the later, it might be time to cut stocking even further, or risk a collapse at worst, and at best a slow decline to Michigan sized fish.
  6. I've never seem any analysis of LO steelhead that indicates age and prior spawning status of Larger chromers. West Coast fish don't grow a lot after returning to the ocean, the large size fish stay off shore for additional years. Our fish don’t have as far to travel, and no sea lions or seals, so Folks at DEC think they can grow a little more and return, but I think the outsize fish are just ones that stayed out in the soup eating for an additional year. Many of the ones that got photographed and weighed left the gene pool, and over time maybe we’re developing a smaller strain. Or they burn more off between meals because the meals are fewer.
  7. But according to the Tributary angler surveys, most steelhead caught in the tributaries are released. According to the Charter Boat Survey, more than half of the steelhead caught out on the Lake are kept. It will be interesting to find out when all the mid teens kings hit the hatchery whether they are big two year olds, which would say there is lots of bait, or smaller three year olds that have been growing more slowly in the face of less to eat. We are also not seeing the mid 40's kings anymore, and even 30's seem pretty rare. You can't blame that on increased tributary pressure.
  8. Lucky13

    Invasive plants

    Since the Seneca River gets its flows from the outflow of both Seneca and Cayuga lakes, unless water runs up hill without a pump, there should be no impact. Need to know pesticide to determine long term impacts downstream, but the herbicides used in water are usually not long lastng.
  9. Lucky13

    new fish in Seneca?

    They were sold to NY bait dealers from Southern bait farms prior to the adoption of the new baitfish regulations. They are not a legal bait for sale anymore, but enough got dumped that they are in a lot of water bodies, many that are not connected to LO. Clayton at the old Squidd’s Bait in Rochester had one in the freezer that was about 20” long, he caught it while crappie fishing and said it fought as well as a largemouth.
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    Great Lakes Water Levels

    When Detroit starts flooding, you will want to tighten up the straps on your lifejacket. And it will still be a while before it gets down through Erie. http://lre-wm.usace.army.mil/ForecastData/DailyLevelsEnglish.pdf
  11. Lucky13

    Catching Alewives

    If there is so much bait out there, why are the fish being so suicidal on metal spoons this year? Or are there too many salmonids even for a HUGE bait population? 
  12. Lucky13

    Catching Alewives

    Gobies are very different fish from alewife with very different regs. What you said was it was illegal to catch or transport alewife, and you posted with a finality that implied that you are an "authority," and said " Read the regs." You posted incorrect information, perhaps you should reread the regs yourself. For anyone who is interested in CORRECT information, here is the link to the pages in the guide. http://www.eregulations.com/newyork/fishing/baitfish-regulations/
  13. Lucky13

    Catching Alewives

    Please quote from the regulations where it says that. It is perfectly legal to use alewife for bait, but only in a listed number of waters. They can also be transported, but only within defined corridors. You can harvest your own, but only using listed methods. If there is so much bait out there, why are the fish being so suicidal on metal spoons this year? Or are there too many salmonids even for a HUGE bait population?
  14. For those of you who aren't able to read the USACE information on the project, the dredge is finishing up by pumping sand from the borrow area to fill the "new lagoon" which is actually an additional wetland area on the plans. This is stone edged, and will actually be shallow emergent plants, so please be careful, don't run your boat into it 2 or 3 times.
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    Reddish Fish

    Rudd (from Wikipedia) If they are all red looking, they may be goldfish, which grow quite large when released to the wild.
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