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On 11/19/2023 at 11:03 AM, NPike said:
This is soo true and after having read responses maybe I should upgrade my bump board which is just piece of aluminum with marking up to 42".It'sonly about 2 ` 3" wide. I rarely weight fish but when I do I weight the fish and wet net together then just subtract out the net. I still see folks with that scale hooks jammed thru an exox jaw, terrible.
True i dont have a boat so i dont have a fish board
On 11/16/2023 at 1:38 PM, muskiedreams said:I think that since more and more of the fishing community has been leaning more toward conservation and safely releasing all fish that are not kept, those measurements are becoming less and less important. Once you are set up, length and girth are fairly easy to measure accurately. Bump board for length and soft measuring tape in the net while in the water is easy on the fish and easy to do. Getting an accurate weight is another story. There are just too many things that can cause inaccuracy. The scale must be periodically certified and protected from anything that can affect it's accuracy. And on a boat, the boat is moving, you are moving and the fish may not be still enough to get a steady reading. That is why any official record fish have to be weighed on a certified scale on land.
And also, I think that as you get older it also becomes less important.
Accurate weight is either subtract net and/ or cradle
i think besides documenting it does help show how the esox are doing
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1 hour ago, fisherman777 said:
Like others have said, get a musky sized bump board if you are consistently measuring bigger pike 40" plus. It will make your life so much easier and the fish won't flop off the board if you have a good grip on its gill plate.
As far as girth measurements go, I just don't take them. Most musky guys talk in terms of length anyway. A 50 incher is a 50 incher regardless of how fat it is and I can live without knowing the exact weight on a fish. I'd rather handle it as minimally as possible.
For solo pictures, invest in a tripod for your phone and have it set to a timer. Or better yet, get a new gopro that has the front camera screen. Hit record and hold the fish up for a quick video, then pull still photos from the video later on. I do this for all my solo musky shots and they turn out great.
Alright i guess documenting girth and weight is a personal thing of mine
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7 hours ago, Gill-T said:
Gobies can carry botulism.
After reading what botulism is and how it affects birds & fish why is it other fish are able to eat gobies and only suffer morbid obesity
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9 minutes ago, LongLine said:
Numbers may be a little off in our minds but that's what the state currently recognizes. While they might raise some categories, I doubt they'll lower any as Big-O is promoted as a "World Class Fishery."
True
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27 minutes ago, GAMBLER said:
Here is what I consider a trophy on Lake Ontario and have used this for getting fish mounted.
Steelhead - 18lbs
Browns - 15lbs
Lakers - 25lbs
Kings - 30lbs (used to be 35 for me but 30 is not out of the norm)
Coho -15lbs
Atlantic - 15lbs
27 minutes ago, LongLine said:In order to qualify for the NYSDEC Angler achievement award, Kings have to be 33 Lbs. Cohos - 16 Lbs
21 minutes ago, GAMBLER said:Those numbers are a little off. 16lbs for a laker out of Lake Ontario is a very low. The day my son caught his 21.06 this summer, we caught 8 lakers over 16lbs. A 16lb laker wouldn't make the LOC board in Spring or Summer by a long shot!
I totally agree though the dec got it right for the kings and cohos weight classification
also what about length classification
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I was wondering what the benchmark standard is that everyone would agree is trophy for
Rainbows/Steelhead 18lbs
Browns 15lbs
Lakers 25lbs
Kings 30lbs
Cohos 15lbs
Atlantic 15lbs
i know for muskie its 50" 30lbs pike 40" 15 lbs and for bass 20" 5lbs
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2 hours ago, Gill-T said:
Gobies can carry botulism.
Yes but with an nearly unlimited source of zebra muscles we are never going to get rid of them
2 hours ago, HB2 said:Id bet my favorite fllyrod our guys have read this report ,and others . This was a decades long study with no definitive conclusion . And I'm sure there are more west coat studies out there as this problem is chronic .
So go with the obvious , it's probably bait related. Even that study said that might be it . We have been told this by our DEC . But in the beginning,looking back , when they said this, and they wanted to cut stocking, there was huge push back . And still is . So it seems the DEC is walking a tight rope to provide us the best possible under current conditions.
Any study will take years . So short term , go enjoy what we have while you still have it .
Untill the bottom of the food chain gets built up , ( and how do you do that ) were probably going to have to live with this , at least for a while . And hope it does not get worse . We will have wait and see .
At least the browns and lakers are eating gobies
also i came across a guy on the michigan sportsman forum who caught a coho salmon in huron and he found this in its stomach
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Just a thought if they had the place that makes pellets add the remains of gobies and put them in pellets the hatchery feeds them maybe they would eat the gobies along with the alewives and might do better
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1 hour ago, GAMBLER said:
Lake Michigan cut stocks 50% and saw a drastic rebound in size. We made big cuts and size didn't rebound. Any idea why Brian?
Increased competition?
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2 hours ago, muskiedreams said:
Another thing that helps the survival rate it to take measures to avoid rubbing the protective slime off of the fish. The slime protects it from infection. If you lay it down for measuring or a picture it is best to be on a smooth surface that has been whetted down to minimize any removal of slime. One of the reasons for using a bump board to measure unless you make a quick measure in the water. The carpet on the floor of the boat is very bad at removing slime, especially when it is dry. If too much slime is lost, the fish could die several days later from infection.
Do you have recommendations for measuring girth i know to invest in a fish board & weigh the net if you have someone else to take a picture do you guys have any recommendations for calming them down while holding them I tried covering their eyes without touching them but it didn’t work ?
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Ok I will personally i was out with a guide and using his lures have you tried owner inline replacement single hooks?
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1 hour ago, HB2 said:
I heard at a meeting once that that the natural reproduction rate was as high as 47 %. That's half the fish , a huge number . DEC has no control over that .
The lake surface used to shimmer with dead alwives after the die off . There are way less in the lake.
It's not our father's LO . It's cleaner . Which doesn't necessarily mean better fishing . But we still have a great fishery I'm grateful for.
I'd like to see them get some new eggs from the West Coast . Raise them at a different hatchery , mark them and see what happens . But I think DEC said they did not want to do that to introduce more genetics someway .
The salmon run is pretty much over .Pretty much a fly and pin trib trout fishery now . They got their eggs . Lets wait and see how things go . And let the DEC do their job .
Ok I just thought that a much higher natural spawn then was is accounted for in stocking would result in more fish less bait smaller fish It would be great if they could get them to eat gobies
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I personally know very little about the salmon but does this indicate a far lower alewife population
also dont they stock with a estimated 20% wild reproduction success and didnt a bunch of them starve and die off one year because the success rate was 80% instead of 20%
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Nice and glad to see the even with it flopping around the boat it managed to be released i had a 34" not make it after flopping around but its also great to see they are reaching the 40" range there
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I didnt vote for them but what is also happening up in blind bay in the islands shows they really either dont care about the fisheries which is upsetting because its a huge part of our economy
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On 8/14/2023 at 11:04 AM, MBarbieri said:
I am looking to buy a new boat in the next 3 or 4 years. I fish mainly the finger lakes but would like to be able to head to Lake Ontario some day. I am looking at the Starweld Fusion 16 DC and the Fusion Pro18 DC. Would the 16 be too small for Lake O? about a $10,000 difference in prices right now. of course alot can change over the next few years! My 40hp on my Tracker died this year so looking to get a small motor to just tie me over for a few years then plan to purchase the new boat. Thank you for all of your help and input!
Went with a buddy in the in Lowes Fishing Machine 1675 Boat in the islands last year and it held up fine and and maxed out with everything including the trailer the boat would come up to $37,000 maxed out and new and is also small enough you could get in hemlock though you could only use the trolling motor
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So i am going on a trip to Hastings in a couple weeks and was looking for a small spot nearby (within 20 minutes)to fish for pike from shore
the area is near the sunoco by the saab parts store
1982 US-11
Hastings, NY 13076
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And the rod description says the rod guide sizes are size 6 what does that mean
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2 hours ago, fisherman21 said:
I’m sure you can use any bead that is the right size
Alright what about sizing for rods you dont have yet
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47 minutes ago, gethookedfishn said:
Any Bead will do no matter what the material it's made from. Here is another Link: https://www.walleyecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6679754
Ok thx so the ones i run currently are too small
and the material the bead is made of doesnt matter and is harmless as long as its too big to even partially fit in rod guide
Thank you solves my paranoia with these new rods
which material i get would depend on whether I want the fish to see it as an attractant, look like lure is wounded and chasing it, and extra weight bonus -
9 minutes ago, gethookedfishn said:
If your looking to Resell them in small PAKs PM me and I will direct you where to get them in BULK. Or check out your nearest Hobby Lobby Store.
I was worried about just buying regular old beads even when they are large enough still damaging the eye which is why i have been so concerned
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8 minutes ago, gethookedfishn said:
Why would you need a1000Pak, it's not something you don't need to replace after each time you wind the Swivel up to the Bead.
First I would measure the ID of your Rod Tip then this will tell you what Size Bead whether Round or Oval you have to step up to so that it won't slide through the Rod Tip. I does not matter whether you use a Hard Bead or a Soft Bead or Round or Oval. If you night fish I suggest using a Glow Bead such as these https://www.amazon.ca/Tigofly-Luminous-Plastic-Floating-Materials/dp/B09YLJRMMK/ref=d_pd_sbs_sccl_3_2/143-1172496-3503966?pd_rd_w=Oensh&content-id=amzn1.sym.c1849561-aea0-48eb-b576-ba648ed69471&pf_rd_p=c1849561-aea0-48eb-b576-ba648ed69471&pf_rd_r=QNF1Q2Q02DF1DXJW5P5G&pd_rd_wg=b8A8X&pd_rd_r=e17c2625-79e9-4ed7-86c9-bc9a5e1e93ec&pd_rd_i=B09YLJRMMK&psc=1 or https://www.amazon.ca/MonkeyJack-1000Pcs-Multi-color-Fishing-Suitable/dp/B075Q6MNWD/ref=d_pd_sbs_sccl_3_2/143-1172496-3503966?pd_rd_w=SEPIw&content-id=amzn1.sym.c1849561-aea0-48eb-b576-ba648ed69471&pf_rd_p=c1849561-aea0-48eb-b576-ba648ed69471&pf_rd_r=E6FYB9D5EHCM6JV71R74&pd_rd_wg=6njM4&pd_rd_r=0ad9c138-cbed-476c-aa4b-5ebf832560e4&pd_rd_i=B075Q6MNWD&psc=1 or these if you can get them in the right Size. These are only Size: 3.8*5mm https://www.amazon.ca/Luminous-Plastic-Fishing-Accessories-Materials/dp/B07BPX47QT
I use them on all my rods and usually fish snags occasionally use trout fishing , fish the snags and i am a person that likes to have something and be set on it and not have to worry about running out
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8 hours ago, gethookedfishn said:
Or check these Links out: https://sportfishingbc.com/threads/plastic-bead-to-protect-rod-tip-eye.66855/ Plastic bead to protect rod tip eye https://www.thehulltruth.com/sportfishing-charters-forum/902107-protecting-rod-tips-swivels.html Protecting rod tips from swivels...
https://fishingaddictiongear.com/products/trolling-beads-12-pk
12 packs of trolling beads. Available in size small and large. Use trolling beads to prevent the snap from being reeled into the rod tip. Reeling the snap into the rod tip can damage the ceramic guide and cause line wear and break offs. Also helps keep cottonwood, mayfly larva and weeds off the bill of your lure, keeping the action right. Trolling beads also help keep track of rods by referencing bead color. You can also reel the bead tight to the rod tip for easier rod storage. Use them as a stopper to tie off freshly calibrated trolling reels! This makes an easy way to tie off the tag end until the reel is put into service. Also use these beads on your main line when perch fishing or jigging to avoid reeling your snap or rig into the rod tip. If you want the benefits of the trolling bead without the color, we have a clear bead as well. Choose between Small or Large. Sold 12 per pack.
Small Bead - Average Diameter of 15/64''
Just under 1/4'' average diameter, these smaller sized trolling beads will work with many trolling rods on the market. Check your rod tip size to confirm the diameter. This size works with all rods we stock/sell/use.
Large Bead - Average diameter of 5/16''
A little larger than the small size trolling beads. These will work with rod tips that are too large for the small beads. Over the years we have found certain trolling rods to have oversized rod tips, which would allow the small size bead to slip through. These larger beads will work with the rods that the small beads will not. Check your rod tip size to confirm the diameter. The large size works well when calibrating extra reels. Tie on a bead and reel it to the line guide.
Do you know what material those beads are made of so i could buy a 1000 pk from somewhere else
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9 hours ago, gethookedfishn said:
Here are sum YouTube Video Links on using Beads to protect your Rod Tip
Am yet to use a bead that large
9 hours ago, gethookedfishn said:8 hours ago, gethookedfishn said:Or check these Links out: https://sportfishingbc.com/threads/plastic-bead-to-protect-rod-tip-eye.66855/ Plastic bead to protect rod tip eye https://www.thehulltruth.com/sportfishing-charters-forum/902107-protecting-rod-tips-swivels.html Protecting rod tips from swivels...
https://fishingaddictiongear.com/products/trolling-beads-12-pk
12 packs of trolling beads. Available in size small and large. Use trolling beads to prevent the snap from being reeled into the rod tip. Reeling the snap into the rod tip can damage the ceramic guide and cause line wear and break offs. Also helps keep cottonwood, mayfly larva and weeds off the bill of your lure, keeping the action right. Trolling beads also help keep track of rods by referencing bead color. You can also reel the bead tight to the rod tip for easier rod storage. Use them as a stopper to tie off freshly calibrated trolling reels! This makes an easy way to tie off the tag end until the reel is put into service. Also use these beads on your main line when perch fishing or jigging to avoid reeling your snap or rig into the rod tip. If you want the benefits of the trolling bead without the color, we have a clear bead as well. Choose between Small or Large. Sold 12 per pack.
Small Bead - Average Diameter of 15/64''
Just under 1/4'' average diameter, these smaller sized trolling beads will work with many trolling rods on the market. Check your rod tip size to confirm the diameter. This size works with all rods we stock/sell/use.
Large Bead - Average diameter of 5/16''
A little larger than the small size trolling beads. These will work with rod tips that are too large for the small beads. Over the years we have found certain trolling rods to have oversized rod tips, which would allow the small size bead to slip through. These larger beads will work with the rods that the small beads will not. Check your rod tip size to confirm the diameter. The large size works well when calibrating extra reels. Tie on a bead and reel it to the line guide.
Will give a try on a rod in case the beads i was using was too small though that was what i was doing
Hook size for perch?
in Panfish
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Size 1 or 2 gamakatsu splitshot /dropshot hook Bigger hook means less swallowing i did also get a 8" perch on a 3/4oz daredevle before