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I see what you mean -- maybe, but it seems soft and malleable like braid, not rigid like 7 strand.  I'm not a fanboy yet of the stuff -- just experimenting.  We'll see... 

Lost a three colors of lead along with the 19 strand backer when my “improved Albright” knot failed — braid to 19’strand. Not sure what I did wrong maybe tag ends to short. Frustrating, probably not worth it. Might just go with some snap weights to add versatility


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hey Erie buck so no recipe is perfect except for the ones that work however imo glow should be kept for morning early hours and as the sun continues to get above the horizon start to gravitate towards uv colors the nice thing about the uv is its still effective deep as the fish are able to pick out uv at deep depths hope this helps 

Thanks, yes I’m learning bit by bit. You guys have really helped. Much appreciated. I Used to just randomly throw stuff out there and hope it worked. But paying attention to details and understanding certain situations has improved my success. With an approaching storm front and reduced light today, I changed up my spread to some mag glows and got two bites on raspberry carbon, one a trophy steelhead for Lake Erie, 10 lbs, jumped 7 times!! I also caught a COHO in Lake Erie today, running mini orange dodger and coho fly which I learned from @yankeetroller post. Seems to be decent amount of Coho in Lake Erie if you try.. strange must come down from Lake Huron ??


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I like running the meat rigs behind 10” spin dr’s on my wire divers because they seem to have less drag than the 11” paddles.

For sure. Bigger flasher probably a better than an 8 for meat too


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Yeah man, unfortunately I don't get to make it to Lake O more than a couple times a year... I fish primarily Lake Erie where the fishing is incredible but we don't have Kings!   so I have a lot more time to think and plan rather than the more fun technique -- trying and finding out.   I want to maximize the experience for my dad for our upcoming trip -- he's not in great shape -- could be his last.  Sorry for all my posts.    

how much do you pay attention to glow vs. non glow?  Obviously early in the morning or down deep (how deep is deep??) glow is theoretically more effective... but is there any harm running glow in higher light situations?  I suppose something with UV or in combination UV/Glow would be more reflective in higher light situations --- BUT sometimes too flashy isn't good either...   

Erie buck you're intuition is correct you should run a glow fly with a glow flasher the whole purpose for the glow is either in low light conditions or deep water presentation again low light so it makes sense that the fly should stand out as well as the flasher or at least be visible 

Is there any harm in running glow stuff in normal daylight not super deep? I suppose if it was a partial glow with UV qualities it would reflect some light and be okay.


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good info thanks @relaxer.  Makes sense to run meat behind the bigger spinny w/ diver.  Interesting black and white are your go to!  Don't mess with the green??  I have a number white glow/crush and white with different tape color combos, but I think I only have 1 black flasher, an 8 inch black/uv spinny.   I have lots of stuff with black accents/dots but not mainly black.  Doesn't look like many on the market besides the carbon 14   

Thanks @Keep'n it Reel makes sense.  I'm going to label my glow flashers with a sharpie mark and probably separate them in a different box along with the glow flies.  Some of them are all glow but others just have a small piece of glow tape the ladderback in glow.   At what depth would you consider deep water, low light, assuming full sun.  > than say 70ft?

I’ve always paid attention to finding good coordinating color combinations for flasher/flys, but what about glow?

 

Should you match a glow flasher with a glow fly ? Does it matter ?

 

I was in my shop rigging up all my flasher fly combinations and then I turned out the lights and was surprised what I saw… flashers I thought were glow weren’t and vice versa, same for the flies…. I had glow flies on non glow flashers and glow flashers with non glow flies.

 

I’m trying to do better at paying attention to the smaller details to become a better fisherman… but if I’m overthinking this stuff please tell me to STFU!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Anyone ever run the 10 inch spin doctors off divers? If so, when and with what behind them?

I have a handful of them but not sure if I should waste valuable time with all the other good stuff in the boat. I have 10+ 8 inch in both e chip and spin dr.

For meat I typically run the 11” paddles or 13” fish blades off riggers. Or will put a meat head behind an 8inch

Every day is different - some days they want the meat rigs - other days they want it clean.  Tom Allen (Atommik) will ship if he has it in stock but last I saw he was sold out for the season.  

Thanks, I mostly have the meat rigs with teasers but will pick up some heads by themselves to mix in


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I am doing some planning for my late July trip out of Wilson and was just wondering if you guys know of any companies that will ship out cut bait?   I don't believe there's anything in Wilson.  I can always drive out to Boat Doctor in Olcott and grab some, but would rather focus on fishing once I get in town.  

 

Familiar Bite https://cart.gltsupplies.com/cut-bait/  used to ship them out but everything on their site says out of stock, so not sure if they are still in business.  

 

What is your preferred way to run meat -- with the 3 teaser flies or no teasers, just meat head behind the flasher?  

Awesome day out there, you guys are crushing it!  Great way to round out the holiday weekend...  instead of catching Kings, I just had leftover macoroni salad and overcooked burgers 

Great to hear reports like this.... hopefully July will be a great month!  

I like Malin 7 strand the best, but it's kind of hard to find in the 1000ft spools so I recently bought a spool of torpedo.  We'll see how that goes

Shortbus makes the triangle rotary flashers but they also make 11” paddles, check out their website.  Big paddle flashers are a staple out on the west coast/Columbia river and also the ocean fishery with cut herring behind them.  I run meat rigs behind the 11”ers.  Behind the triangle rotary flashers u can run pretty much whatever u want (I like to run meat with no teasers).  If u walleye fish try running the small rotary flasher directly off ur bottom bouncer rig with a worm harness or gambler rig behind it.

Are their 11s similar to protroll?


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I was talking about the large size echips. I have them on my rigger weights. Now that I look at my post I wasn't clear about it:smile:

Wow e chips on the sharks themselves! I may just cover everything in e chips, boat, motor, everything!!!


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I use them right on my shark type downrigger weights for the past 5 or 6 years unclear whether it is them or the setups that work  but I'm superstitious so I keep them on:lol:
 

You put the fish blade flashers behind your sharks? Makes sense! I run sharks too. You run 12lb or 15lb?


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If you’re running meat (you should be) def get some of the kingfisher/fish n chip style flashers as well.  I’ve also got some west coast shortbus 11” paddles that have been very effective (no echip).  Got a new Gibbs flasher I can’t wait to get in the water….these flasher are not as speed forgiving as spin doctors (seem to take more fish at a little slower speed) and 11+” flashers have more drag and can make fish act weird when u get them near the boat….but man are they effective for chinook.

Nice, I haven’t tried any of the fish blades yet will have to pick up a few. I’ve seen the o’ki and salmon candy ones will have to check out Gibbs


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Great day, glad you guys made some memories!  

I do not run split rings on my spoons...even if they come with them, I remove them.

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You feel they run better without? You just using a size 2 or 3 snap swivel?


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I’ve been running split rings on all my spoons… but I’ve read some posts about people saying if the manufacturer doesn’t include one, you don’t need one. I just assumed they were trying to save a nickel by not including one to improve the profit margin… seems like the ring allows the natural actual of the spoon to take over but I guess I’ve never really experimented without the ring…

 

What are you guys doing?

 

 

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Anyone have any luck with the protroll LED lighted flashers?   I didn't have much luck with them last summer or fall, but got a mature on an 8" this spring

Very cool, great to know!  will save me some money for sure.  Looks like they make a kit: #2043 Contains - 3 large EChips.  

Thanks for the heads up as I wasn't haven't any luck finding them!  Looks like will need to stick with pro-troll colors if I want the e-chip?