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26 minutes ago, fcboats said:

Perhaps we should contact Donny for advice.  Seems like he knows more than anyone on this subject.  Perhaps we can inject ourselves with disinfectant as this is what he had stated.  

Donny is pushing boosters. That clown is in your circus man. 

18 hours ago, Gator said:

Having just posted about trying to understand your rival's position, as a scientist I feel like I need to respond to this, troll-like as it seems. Just to set the record straight.

 

Fauci is the head of a branch of the NIH that has been charged with a very specific mission - to "seek fundamental knowledge about the nature and behavior of living systems and the application of that knowledge to enhance health, lengthen life, and reduce illness and disability." He does not have any legislative authority, beyond the bully pulpit. He can't enact mandates. His job is to advise, and always with the intent of promoting public health first. He has the difficult task of acting as a conduit between scientists and politicians, many who haven't thought about these things since high school biology. He is not self-autonomous, but instead integrates information widely from peer reviewed consensus among folks who have trained their whole life. Like it or lump it, his messages reflect expert opinion. He recognizes, with some humor in fact, that he is a recognizable face for his opponents to castigate. I don't always agree with his opinions or tactics, but I respect him for his service. In fact, I think people's opinion of Fauci speaks more to them than to the man himself.

Legislative authority, can’t enact mandates, HA! Considering a bureaucracy is an institution that exercises enormous power over you but with no locus of responsibility, then you must understand at some level, you, being in the ring and all, are protected if you stay under its roof. For instance; the CDC makes vaccine recommendations. But the distinction between a recommendation and mandate immediately collapses when institutions (government agency, employer, university, school) require vaccination based on the CDC recommendation. Try to contest the rationality of these mandates, e.g., in federal court: the mandating institution just points back to the CDC recommendation. The school, business, Dr., etc., thus disclaims responsibility for the decision. But the CDC likewise disclaims responsibility: "We don't make policy; we just make recommendations." Meanwhile, the manufacture is immune from liability or harm per federal law. Thus, enormous power is exercised over your body, health, physician's license, etc., with no locus of responsibility for the decision, and no liability for the outcomes. You are left with the consequence of a decision that nobody claims to have made. Alllllll that from a little ol’ recommendation. 
 

Ha!!! Integrates information. The FDA Advisory panel voted 16-2 against boosters for the gen pop. And he and the FDA hurriedly ignored that. Hurriedly. They ignored Pfizer’s own warnings. 
 

He has said he is the human embodiment of SCIENCE and to question him, would be to deny science. That’s funny? 
 

This seriously seems like Stockholm Syndrone. 
 

He’s been good at being wrong a looooong time. 
 

10 hours ago, woody 184 said:

Something I have wondered about and again I’m with HB, if you look at the world deaths by country, Like Canada for example or New Zealand…. Does the US ever look at other countries and go how the Heck can their deaths be so low, I understand the populations are way different, are we trying to reinvent the wheel. Wish I hope we aren’t as arrogant as that…. Woody

We had a 4x birth rate with boomers. Their average age now is 74ish. Americans are also in a tail spin of obesity and obesity related diseases. In addition, we are in an opioid epidemic. We are in a grand finally of that opioid epidemic with overseas fentanyl being the primary drug and now carfantanyl (sp.) has entered the scene. The lockdowns have increased suicide rates, drug abuse, poverty, and mental illness-all increase death rates. And as Gambler mentioned, just about anything can be called a covid case. NY, NJ, MI and Penn had nursing home debacles. And I’ll say it again, Vaers, an underreported tool is at 20,000 deaths. By the way, false reporting to Vaers is a felony and Pfizer unblinded their control groups, so I don’t know where else you’re supposed to responsibly asses risk without being called a conspiracy right wing extremist. Sooooooo, add a crummy pcr test, incentivize hospital admins to check a box, and that’s a whole lot of dry tinder.  

I hope, and pray, at the end of this thread we can all agree NO MANDATES, NO PASSPORTS, NO MORE EMERGENCY ORDERS that restrict us. The baseline data is mangled. The govt is spending and printing our dollar so that it is losing value and our tax burden will rise. We are getting burnt at both ends. The fact is, behemoths like Black Rock and Vanguard and the major banks get essentially free money to rig our markets. They own huge portions of the pharmas, insurance companies, big six media corps, social media corps, and have the politicians in their pockets. We are arguing their constructed narratives. They are robbing our voices, wealth, and we are very much at a fork in the road with the new technology that is here. That’s why our heads are spinning. They are at a cusp of losing their control. Just like invention of the printing press created massive censorship, so to will major blowback happen with the advent of DeFi, open source decentralization projects, and a growing parallel economy. We can walk ourselves into a cage with blockchain based central bank digital currencies, IoT devices, and a myriad of other new bio techs that I believe will destroy our privacy, rights, and good nature. OR we can use the other fork in the road this tech offers and lock them out and escape this fiat money driven rigged game that has us in the current stranglehold we are in. Letting mandates take hold will be us essentially tapping out. I personally believe, as a person with natural disagreeable tendencies, thus high skepticism something stinks to high hell-these new therapies being a means to an end that has 0 to do with health.  A lot of people are naturally agreeable, they see compliance as a means to an end of a pandemic. I get it, I understand, but please, the canary is croaking in NYC with these mandates. This sort of categorizing of people by way of a pharmacological stamp, an assumption of sickness before being able to participate in an economy is NOT a public health measure. It is a means to find the weeds that need to be plucked from the totalitarians utopian garden of obedience. 
 

P.S. reef runner bite is hot in the golden crescent. The Canadians can go eff off, we got our own Bay of Quinte. 

1 hour ago, Gator said:

You can not trust him all you like, but that still doesn't make everything he says a lie. The goalposts do change. Our understanding evolves, and not being perfect beings, we also make mistakes. By loudly proclaiming your distrust, you simply encourage others to do one better. And the gap widens. I've seem way more accusations of manipulation and fraud this past year than I've actually seen manipulation and fraud. And I will also go out on a limb and say that in my conversations with others, I often find that if I get too technical in what I say, misunderstanding abound. You've got to give Fauchi some credit for having the right background and training to be able to make health care determinations based on science and fact. His record has proven his worth.

 

And one final point. Fauchi has a job. His job is to put the health of the American people first. Would you expect the NRA to consider how guns affect drug violence, and soften their position thereby? No, they are built for one thing, to uphold gun rights. So is Fauchi. It's up to the politicians to weigh his message. If you want to blame someone, point your finger in the right direction.

Faucci has ignored, purposely, natural immunity #s. In leaked emails he is doing narrative control ops. He is demanding voices be silenced, not debated. He lied about gain of function funding. These people crapped over the constitution day in and day out. He is a fear monger. He has hurt public health. He is a bureaucrat. Biden just admitted that the Feds can do nothing helpful any longer. That speaks to Faucci. 

9 hours ago, Sk8man said:

One of the things ignored here is the question of what are the long term  currently unknown effects on the brain and nervous system of contracting even a mild case of covid regardless of strain? The fact that many folks contracting the virus lose their sense of smell and experience other brain/nervous system/respiratory problems suggests that exposure to covid in and of itself may be a worse risk than the potential side effects of the vaccine. There is no data to evaluate at this point in the situation. At least the potential side effects that may affect a percentage of the population (as with nearly any medication or supplement or allergen etc are presently known or suspected and some can be treated. Neurological sequelae the extent to which someone may be living with over time and perhaps unknowingly deteriorating is a significant and largely unknown risk, and like being subjected to the chicken pox virus in the past as a child and then dealing with shingles later in life because the live virus has resided in the system over time. The impact on children's nervous system during the formative years is another significant concern  and so are the concerns regarding the vaccine for them in particular but that is the case with pretty much any medication as it is with the elderly. It is truly unfortunate that so much inaccurate information is out there these days, and the various agendas being  pushed off on us and a lack of fidelity and honesty in the media and journalism as it has contaminated our ability to accurately assess or verify what is going on at this point. The similarity to the "Wikipedia" with the ability to edit the facts and reliance on the information presented does not escape me.

I’ll bet the same people wrapping street blocks packed together wondering if they have covid and waiting to be tested will be the same ones on their 5 booster complaining about long covid. 

10 hours ago, GAMBLER said:

This is the problem I have with the entire pandemic and how it has been handled.  Moving the goal posts, manipulating numbers to create fear, mandates and not being honest with the American people.  It was Fauci himself that said we only tell the American people what we think they can handle.  Once you lie to me, I'm don't trust you. 

So many people, for two years have been screaming about the pcr induced mania in the hospitals labeling everything covid. People actually believed cloth masks eradicated the flu. Remember, nearly all Dr.s went along with this bull. Now, you have Faucci just nonchalantly telling the public what normal skepics have being ridiculed as social media conspiracists for two years for. This is gaslighting, actually. 

9 hours ago, GAMBLER said:

I'm not a big fan of any of the data from this pandemic.  The data coming out of this pandemic has been skewed.  The interview with Fauci the other day is a real eye opener.  Here is the link to the video.  Fudging numbers to cause fear.  Not cool.  https://rumble.com/vrpi8e-fauci-admits-child-covid-hospitalization-numbers-are-overblown.html?mref=22lbp&mc=56yab&fbclid=IwAR25PiV1W-epw18pPLs3sXEDu7YXllSePAxeCoAr5Di3ha6Qw4yRZHyBvzY

I can’t believe he actually set the record straight on that. They are u-turning hard. Nice they are finally admitting the pcr is junk, cloth masks are retarded, and Biden admitting the feds give up...Great to see. Please let them drop this ****. Thanks for video. 

48 minutes ago, Gator said:

Apologies if I wasn't fair. I reacted to what I perceived. I suspect that quite a bit of what folks say, even from side to side of the debate, isn't as far apart as it would seem. And I do appreciate it when people think deeply about what these numbers mean - perhaps that is what you are going for, rather than simply spitting out statistics compiled by the pundits.

 

I will respond to your first question. I am continuing to push "the narrative" because it is true. The vaccine protects the vulnerable. It protects them directly by making it less likely that they will end up in a hospital (though admittedly protection diminishes with age), and it protects them indirectly by reducing their risk from being exposed to others. Just because something is not perfect is no reason to dismiss it entirely. Just because someone has told you a lie (and I fully acknowledge that the truth has suffered for the sake of a consistent message during this pandemic, which I disagree with entirely) doesn't mean that everything is a lie. I'm not sure how something that's so entrenched - vaccines protect against severe disease - can be consistently challenged. I have seen nothing that supports such a stance.

 

I was with you on your second question right up until the sexual harassment part of it. Regardless, focusing on NYS # versus Ontario and Germany, there's no reason to doubt any of these, so long as they come from credible sources. Not every locale's experience need be identical. Vaccinated folks can get COVID. Immunity wanes. But there's no reason to think that natural immunity is going to be the answer, It isn't for many viruses, including many strains of coronavirus.  I think that the story is still evolving, and that trying to extrapolate answers from what we have results in marginal conclusions at best. 

 

IMHO, the jab protects you and those you love. Please feel free to volunteer in the ICU if you feel differently and you may change your mind. I can't support a mandate, as I firmly believe that folks should be able to choose wisely or unwisely as they see fit. But they should at least have access to the most credible, up-to-date, and relevant information in order to come to a well-supported conclusion. 

 

I will also mention that I agree 100% that viruses will mutate to become more contagious and less virulent as time goes on, and this is generally how we emerge from these pandemics. But that being the case, wouldn't you rather be one of the last to catch a weakened version than the first? Put me on the wait list, please.

“I'm also neither afraid to live (wisely, I hope), or die (of old age, fingers-crossed), but I am afraid of impacting someone else's right to live. You've got to protect the vulnerable IMHO.”

I interpreted your above statement to mean you were taking the shot to protect others from getting it. I was contesting the shots inability to prevent transmission. The CDC acknowledged this after the Barnstable County incident, and it’s obvious after places with 99% vax rates like Cornell that need to shut down after breakouts. Yes, there are civil rights issues, but the mandates are absurd solely because the shots do not prevent transmission. 
 

If you can agree about viruses becoming weaker over time, then surely you can admit mass vaccination efforts with leaky vaccines in a pandemic can pose significant risk to the population as well. A concerted effort to limit these to the vulnerable makes sense. But when do the mutations vary so far from the original when it no longer does?  
 

Actual vaccine trials for respiratory viruses have failed many times in the past. Because they mutate so much. As in Barnstable County, it should have been no surprise delta would breakthrough whatever efficacy was seen in the original strain. It has been demonstrated flu vaccine can cause interference and make one more vulnerable to other diseases. It’s very complicated. Blanket recommendations, irregardless of natural immunity and risk is not the right thing to do. 

when it comes to being the first in line for gen 1 drugs from companies with criminal track records, track records for altering side effect data, paying off doctors, etc or getting a novel disease...well, once the shot became available and I could study the risk with ample data, I did chose to hold off. I focused on my health, in particular vitamin d levels, exercise, and diet. The after effects of the govts reaction to this will create poverty. Beyond age, poverty is the best predictor for mortality. Enough is enough. 

The prelim data on omicron looks great. Looks like it does not get into lungs as bad. An endemic form along these lines and the failure of these therapies to prevent transmission should crush any mandate narrative. The idea of subscribing to infinity boosters tied to an empire pass will create a system of life that will devastate freedom. It will be a system built on lies. 
 

I am not a right wing extremist like long line thinks and I think natural immunity shows far greater promise in the context of ecological theory. 
 

I very much appreciate your mandate stance. I’m not anti-vax, I’m pro skepticism. Have a good year. 

I dont think you’re being fair to me Gator. I said the AHA link was a warning, and places like Japan have actually begun putting warning labels on the vaccines because the cardiac risks are significant, especially for the younger population. 
 

You claim in an earlier message protecting the vulnerable is an important reason to get the shot, which is what the pundits were saying early on to sway the opinion of folks, but has since been debunked because it does stop transmission. Why are you still pushing that narrative? 
 

Do you believe the state of New York has more merit than the Ontario/Germany data I provided detailing vaccinated cases outnumbering unvaxxed? New York has over 70% vax rate and is breaking infection records. Do you trust the pcr test methodologies that have been used to test to extrapolate data? Maybe if NY puts covid cases back into nursing homes we can really solve sexual harassment once and for all, then we can have a govt with the merit I need for analysis. 
 

I’m happy someone in the ring here has chimed in because there is this huge elephant in the room called natural immunity that the experts ignore. With over 100 solid studies, some done on enormous scale, depicting solid protection from previous infection (like, duh, why do we have to rediscover this), why exactly is that being ignored? Several studies showing no worthwhile advantages to the addition of a vax on top of recovery, even data showing adverse reactions are worse for the naturally immune. Why has ‘do no harm’ been replaced with ‘what harm can it do?’

34 minutes ago, LongLine said:

It certainly does if 21,000 of those 21749 deaths were un-vaxed.  

 

The fact that your "source" didn't mention vax/un-vaxed ratio for that claim makes me wonder about its' credibility.  

You’re not asking the right question, really...

The brown line represents all cause death, weekly, for age class 10-59, vaccinated, per 100,000. 
 

The blue line represents all cause death, weekly, for age class 10-59, unvaccinated, per 100,000. 
 

Per British Govt data, twice as likely to die if vaccinated in the timeframes shown. All cause mortality is a broad way to zoom out and get a broad sense. What I’m pointing out is not definitive, it’s strong, but my point is to raise skepticism and not “follow the science” because that is not how one begins to think for themselves. 

2 hours ago, LongLine said:

 

Great post however I missed the part where you said how many of the 21749 deaths during 2021 Nov 1-18Th were vaxed people vs not vaxed.      care to clarify that? 

 

 

From the data set I pulled that stat from, it does not specify, but does that really matter from a 0-69% rate of change? If you’re implying we didn’t reach 100% yet to see full benefit of program, then I don’t know what to tell you in the context of my entire post. I’ll remind you, PCR cycles were ordered lower for fully vaxxed and kept at the same absurdly high cycle rate for unvaxxed testing per CDC, and if that doesn’t scream out at you...Especially considering the CDC is walking back the PCR testing now b/c of its unreliability (to say the least). In addition, you were considered unvaxxed at day 13 of your second shot, which I won’t get into (death counts). Study the highest vax rate countries, # one being Gibraltar (99%) and the absurdity of this should not be lost on anyone, but the panic stokers have created a false reality and the psychology of man, our own good nature is being wielded against us. See Asch’s experiments-“Asch found that people were willing to ignore reality and give an incorrect answer in order to conform to the rest of the group.”

Please do not fall into any traps of scapegoating outgroups for the failures of authorities. 
 

You can’t virtue signal that you are taking this to protect the vulnerable-it’s very old news that these shots don’t prevent transmission. Same viral load in unvax v vax. Just admit you’re trying to hold your job or something. In placating these irrational mandates, you are partly responsible for any and all destructive measures that follow. 
You can’t say they are saving lives anymore either. During 2020 Nov 1-18th we had 20,484 deaths with 0% vaxxed. During 2021 Nov 1-18th we had 21749 deaths with a 69.4% vax rate. 
And these shots are not safe, just look at Pfizer’s own report. Among the over 160000 adverse reaction reports, some 1200 deaths and some 2000 cardiac events were reported for investigation. This was published 2 months into its issuance in Feb 2021. Now Vaers is over 20,000 deaths. 

https://phmpt.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/5.3.6-postmarketing-experience.pdf

the most prominent, well respected cardiology journal posted a huge warning about increased cardiac risk: 

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712

here’s a simple straight to the point lancet paper detailing a problem all the data is starting to point right at as well. Spells out vaccine enhanced disease risk; a risk Pfizer was well aware of in above link. Wonder why they want the data from February until now protected from FOIA for decades...

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7762(21)00258-1/fulltext?s=08#%20

please stop enabling irrational mandates. Don’t frequent vax only establishments. Please don’t comply. Enabling the govt and big pharma to finance and produce products that are made mandatory by law is fascism. They’ve seen the original statically irrelevant data the original efficacy data was used to validate emergency use. They have been lying to you. They won’t debate. There is no locus of responsibility. 
 

viruses become weaker and more transmissible over time. Putting evolutionary pressure on a virus with a leaky therapeutic through mass vaccination is dangerous and can lead to more virulent strains. Suppressing dialogue through censorship and job removal in hospitals is sinister. Suppressing treatment protocols and ridiculing alternative measures to enable emergency use authorizations is wrong.

look at what lines just crossed in Ontario. Mind you, countries with highest vax rates have highest infection rates. Start questioning the narrative. The narrative is not reality. 
 

Be thankful that omicron is providing the world with a chance at long lasting, effective immunity, naturally. The truth will come out, be patient, be careful. Germany:

When I was young and stupid we would run that area with a Starcraft 16’ tiller 25hp. Never had an issue once. It beat walking down the cliff to fish devils hole, that all we knew. 

On 12/3/2021 at 8:45 PM, schreckstoff said:

Ok cool, traps aren’t baited, just meant to catch eggs as they settle to the bottom. 
Cisco are in and seem ready to spawn any day now.

Is that your bubbler at the Long Pt launch? 

1 hour ago, Bozeman Bob said:

City of Buffalo recently ordered 10 electric busses. Cost was 1 million per bus.  Diesels are 500,000 per bus. So , us taxpayers are dropping a extra 5 million for 10 busses that will not outlive the diesels as salt puts them.on a level playing field. Makes perfect sense , that 5 million couldn't be used for myriad of other things , from education to food and shelter for the inner city people . Or,  know wait for this,  lower taxes, maybe put it in a reserve fund . Of course it's probably federally funded , our taxes again , and that grant money has to be used for that vs something that might make sense. 

On the bright side, they are very quiet, so the bus driver will be able to be heard yelling, “put out that joint, no shooting up back there, and get off!”. 

Hey, was out doing some late walleye fishing and checked one of your traps for you. No lobsters, no nothing, and you’re going to need more bait. 

7 hours ago, Tall Tails said:

The word "Sustainable" means cash grab... trust me when I tell you this.  I work for a company who is very much capitalizing on this non sense... I hate to even say this but I agree with Rolmops our future is Micro Nuclear Fusion.  They also have a big push to end the rural way of life.. they want us living in suburbia where they have more control.  

Do not comply with centralized control. As the paradigms shift in energy, media, money, and ownership, always fight for the decentralized option. We can walk into a prison built out of the new tech or use it to replace the power brokers of today and lock them out. Explore means to opting out of what they are trying to do. Real wealth right now is measured in your independence from the system. Accumulate resources that enable you to build upon that wealth with the future in mind. 

I just really liked Woody’s post above, and wanted reemphasize his idea that pointing the finger about who’s vote is causing what is futile. We have no representation and gas prices will be used as means to an end and those decisions are made amongst the unelected in places like Davos. The stuff we all should be noticing is BLM marching with Trumpers and cops in NYC, stuff like that. We are living in a post truth, post constitution situation, us plebs only got each other. 

The US is in inescapable debt. There is not one single thing we could do to pay it off. It is perpetual by design. Having a balanced budget is entirely different than what we owe for having to borrow in the first place. You cannot escape interest when all money in circulation exists from a loan. 

The writing was on the wall when Aramco went public-that was a Royal family dumping shares on the public, a quiet selling off of the most profitable company in our lifetimes b/c they knew the agenda, not markets were going to change.  This transition from fossil fuels to renewables is happening by brute force. It’s being sold to us as a need to save the world, or whatever else they say, but like anything it is their agenda and their bottom line in the end and we are not privy to the truth. We Americans are in deep deep trouble because our lifestyles have been floated upon the dollar being a world currency reserve, which only had that spot due to its denomination as the only currency to be used for fossil fuel trade. Countries around the world are ditching it as fast as they can, and who could blame them. Do you have any confidence in this country being able to honor its debt? Behind age, poverty is the leading indicator for health and longevity. With inflation, job loss, and disarray normalizing in this controlled demolition, please do not side with powers that use force and coercion and instead choose the path of love, even for your enemy. God help us. 

Nice Tribute Gary, prayers for you and your family. 

Wish I had a chance to know him. Prayers to his family. 

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