Most productive mehtod of running flahser/fly combo

[Draggin The Line]

Ok guys, I really could use some old-wise input on this one being I'm still somewhat of a rookie.

Iv'e read several posts lately that reccomend running your spinny/fly combo of the divers

and lures off the riggers. Is this the best practice? and if it is, what's the reasoning behind it?

Is it just a tangle issue or something else in addition to that?

 

Thanks for you help.

Edited February 24, 2013 by Draggin The Line

[Chas0218]

I run my fly flashers on both. I have been running spoons on my divers more because the added drag from the fly and flasher doesn't allow or to drive as deep.

[Hooked on Kings]

The wire dipsy spinny/fly combo just gives an action that can't be duplicated, the wire has no stretch, so it imparts an action that some days the salmon can't resist,

[bandrus1]

once AUG hits I am running flasher and fly on everything

[King Slammin]

If u have a center rigger, u can run a ff off that as your deep rigger. If u run them on all, make sure u spread the depths out and run short leads or it will be a nasty mess. No matter what, I have at least one ff out. I may only be catching fish on spoons, but the ff could still be attracting them in.

[TyeeTanic]

You can run SDs and flies off the riggers, but they are more productive off a wire dispey.

So being that you should run spoons in your spread, by default it is better to put those on the riggers and leave the fly combos for your dipsey rods.

[Rippin'Line]

The width of your beam and how spread out your riggers are can play a part in it as well. flashers specifically spindoctors can cover alot of water and as soon as they cross eachother your in for a mess. I know form experience and it is not fun.

[Tim Bromund]

IMO, If your F/F on riggers are tangling you are running way too long leads, and/or are crowding your riggers too close together.  I normally run 8-10 foot leads off the ball, maybe out to 15' some days, but most days I have more action tight.  You also should have at least 10' of vertical separation between riggers. 

 

I remember back in the big cut bait days of the late 90's early 2000's when we were running the big 11-13" flashers and meat a lot of times we'd ONLY have 2 rods in the water, both on the corner riggers with cut bait and a minimum of 20' of vertical separation.  We were typically running 20-40 foot leads with the meat and those big flashers turned quite a big radius at those longer leads.  It was a simple program and when you had it running properly, 2 rods kept you plenty busy and more lines in the water actually seemed to diminish the number of bites.

 

THese days with flashers and flies, F/F off the riggers are every bit as productive as they are off of divers or long lines.  I usually start the day with a mix of F/F and spoons on all presentations and let the fish tell me what they wont an any given day and adjust accordingly.  Some days it's all an attractor bite and the spoons are dead, some times it's just the opposite, some days it doesn't matter and both get whacked.

 

I think sometimes people get to wrapped up in the "conventional wisdom" on what presentation they should put where, and can really limit their productivity as a result.

 

Tim

[Draggin The Line]

Thanks for you help guys, it's much appreciated!! I was at the LOTSA show over the weekend and also decided to start

making my own fly harnesses. I got enough components from all the vendors for a bunch. I was going to use 50 lb fluorcarbon

and the guys at Blood Run, said they normally used 40, but 50 would work too. What # would you guys suggest?

Iv'e tied many worm harnesses before and these look very similar, any rule of thumb on hook placement also?

Thanks again. 

                       Warren

[Tim Bromund]

We always use 50 lb for fly leaders.  I think most guys use 50 on Lake Ontario.

[DJ 17]

The hook should ride at the end of the skirt on the fly. You can adjust this by the number/size of beads you use under the fly.

[Big Dave]

There is a vidio on the Fish Dr. site that shows how to do the snell and the two hook set up.  fishdoctorcharters.com

Edited February 28, 2013 by Big Dave

[Chas0218]

I use 50# Seaguar Fluoro

[bandrus1]

will I run into problems if I used 30lb  seagar?

 

I just tied up a bunch with it

[Big Dave]

will I run into problems if I used 30lb  seagar?

 

I just tied up a bunch with it

Might not be stiff enough to give the fly the kick it needs as the flasher spins 

[Draggin The Line]

Thanks for the Link Big Dave, I think I need to invest in a vise.

Anyone have any knowledge on good brands that are reasonably priced?

[Borch]

will I run into problems if I used 30lb  seagar?

 

I just tied up a bunch with it

 

I've caught a lot of fish running flies on 30# leaders.  But I prefer the 50# on most of my rigs for a little more kick.

[Don Supon]

After several broken fly leaders, I changed all to 50 lb test. I recently purchased a fly vise from Cabellas (with a base extra) and used it yesterday for the first time. Sure makes the tying easy. Flys I bought pre-rigged that worked for me have beed duplicated and I'm ready for 2013.