overthelimit 13 Posted May 22, 2016 I have a moor subtroll that is relatively new to me. Yesterday evening out of Wilson I was trying to keep speed at the ball around 2 on the subtroll. My SOG stayed around 3 mph +\- .2 regardless of trolling direction. Sound right? Felt like we were hauling. Probably should have played around a little more but did slow it down to 1.5 at the ball which was still 2.5 ish SOG. Last year before I had the subtroll I remember having a couple decent days in May on kings and lakers with an SOG of 2.3-2.6. Probe was brand new last summer. Any thoughts? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Firechief48 25 Posted May 23, 2016 (edited) The speed at the ball will vary depending on wind and currents. That's not that unlikely to be showing those numbers if you were going with wind and currents in the same direction. I'm guessing the numbers were much the same when you turned and went the opposite direction? Edited May 23, 2016 by Firechief48 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
overthelimit 13 Posted May 23, 2016 North south east west speed stayed same in all directions. Thought it would change when we did a 180. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bozeman Bob 80 Posted May 23, 2016 Put the sub troll at 3 -6 ft and compare your speeds if your asking if it reading correctly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thumbburn 120 Posted May 23, 2016 Lots of crazy current in Wilson..... Sometimes you will be doing exactly the opposite..... Sent from my iPhone using Lake Ontario United Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rdebadts 138 Posted May 24, 2016 (edited) With the sub troll, my sog rarely matches my speed at the probe. Keep it 1.8- 2.3 and you should be good (lakers 1.8-2, steel and kings 2-2.2 or so). Generally if I can keep the probe speed right near 2 rods are popping... Edited May 24, 2016 by rdebadts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LongLine 42 Posted May 24, 2016 If you look at the currents mapping, you'll see they go all over the place and at drastically different speeds. Saturday however, there was very little movement along the south shore - central area. http://www.glerl.noaa.gov/res/glcfs/currents/glcfs-currents-avg.html Tom B. (LongLine) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silver Fox 207 Posted May 24, 2016 Sub troll reads about 1/2mph slower than a fish hawk. Over all, it reads slower. Sent from my XT1585 using Lake Ontario United mobile app Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
overthelimit 13 Posted May 25, 2016 Put the sub troll at 3 -6 ft and compare your speeds if your asking if it reading correctly. I'll try this next time just to see what the difference is. Just based on how much blowback I had I think I may have been going to fast. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Legacy 1,067 Posted May 25, 2016 Sub troll reads about 1/2mph slower than a fish hawk. Over all, it reads slower. Sent from my XT1585 using Lake Ontario United mobile app Very true. I spent the majority of time trolling about 1 3/4 mph when i owed one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
overthelimit 13 Posted May 25, 2016 Thanks guys. I had mine around 2 - 2.25. May have played a role in the lack of fish. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yankee Troller 470 Posted May 25, 2016 With the sub troll, my sog rarely matches my speed at the probe. Keep it 1.8- 2.3 and you should be good (lakers 1.8-2, steel and kings 2-2.2 or so). Generally if I can keep the probe speed right near 2 rods are popping... This is where we fish ours too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gator 374 Posted May 26, 2016 I think I've posted this before, but we noticed that the speed runs 0.4 mph slower when we have a rod hooked up versus after it's released. I think that the tension might change the way that the probe reads? We run Scotty releases off the ball, with the probe ~12" up. So, a reading of 2 mph is actually 2.4 mph SOG with no current. Running a typical spread of metal and spin docs, like others have said, we we find that 2-2.2 mph works. Next time it's down, pop the release and see if your apparent speed jumps. Also, calibrate using the button on the back according to instructions if you're aiming for perfect accuracy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silver Fox 207 Posted May 26, 2016 Keith, hook that release on the top eye of the ball. Your just lifting the back of the weight up when putting tension on it. Sent from my XT1585 using Lake Ontario United mobile app Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gator 374 Posted May 27, 2016 Yep, figured as much. I'm just not sure why that should affect the reading, since the probe is well above the ball. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silver Fox 207 Posted May 27, 2016 You need some quality time with your land. Lol. I don't trust my line going past the probe to a release. My release on the probe rigger is just above the probe. Sent from my XT1585 using Lake Ontario United mobile app Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
overthelimit 13 Posted May 28, 2016 Well today I dropped the probe down about 5 feet. Had 2.4 on the gps and 1.5 on subtroll. Great action on spoons so 1.5-1.75 on probe seemed to be my sweet spot. Only had 4 shots today but not sure it was speed related based on some other reports. Plus we caught a few nice kings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smart Troll 0 Posted June 1, 2016 (edited) I was on the boat with Rick Hajacki (Yankee Troller) last Saturday and we put the Moor Subtroll Probe and the Smart Troll Depth/Temp/Speed Probe a few inches apart attached to the Down-rigger cable. Then we put them about a foot underwater and compared the readings to Rick's Humminbird surface speed. The Subtroll was 0.8 to 1.0 MPH slower than the Humminbird. Here is a link to Rick's facebook post. https://www.facebook.com/SmartTroll/notifications/?section=activity_feed&subsection=mention&ref=notif&target_story=S%3A_I76184471193%3A10153689442231194 Edited June 1, 2016 by Smart Troll Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silver Fox 207 Posted June 1, 2016 How much is a 1 probe kit? My interest is peeking on this.lol Sent from my XT1585 using Lake Ontario United mobile app Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smart Troll 0 Posted June 1, 2016 How much is a 1 probe kit? My interest is peeking on this.lol Sent from my XT1585 using Lake Ontario United mobile app Silver Fox, I am not sure that it is appropriate to post pricing here so I sent you a PM. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silver Fox 207 Posted June 1, 2016 Ok great.ty Sent from my XT1585 using Lake Ontario United mobile app Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yankee Troller 470 Posted June 1, 2016 How much is a 1 probe kit? My interest is peeking on this.lol Sent from my XT1585 using Lake Ontario United mobile app You're pulling out all the punches just to catch a silver fish! LOL What's next....dynamite? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chas0218 50 Posted June 1, 2016 You need some quality time with your land. Lol. I don't trust my line going past the probe to a release. My release on the probe rigger is just above the probe. Sent from my XT1585 using Lake Ontario United mobile app x2 I run a blacks release above the probe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites