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Out of curiosity, do you guys know if it’s possible for a Trout to grow its adipose fin back after it’s been clipped? The last fish I caught on Sunday (a 22#) had a pretty developed adipose, so I’m wondering if it may have been a wild fish, which would be incredibly rare in Erie since there’s been no natural reproduction detected outside of one or two small fish every few years. That said, the fish was probably at least 20 years old, so maybe the fin just slowly grew back over time.

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Char master,

Yes it is certainly possible for the adipose fin to grow back after being clipped. Actually, it is something that is considered for tagging studies and there is a lot of research out there that explains this very well. If you look closely at the fin, you may be able to tell if the top of the fin is fairly flat and is not rounded like a natural adipose would be. If you have some pictures that show this up close, I may be able to help you determine if it is a clipped fin or not. I work with Atlantic salmon in Maine and have worked at salmon hatcheries for over 25 years and have fin clipped thousands of fish during this time.

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16 hours ago, Char_Master said:

Interesting that they’re eating Perch this time of year. A 23# I kept this spring had a few Perch in its stomach, among other things, but I didn’t think their depth ranges would overlap during the summer. How deep did you catch those Lakers, fishnut?

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We were fishing in 100 to 115 FOW 

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On 8/7/2018 at 11:39 AM, Fishnatzee said:

Char master,

Yes it is certainly possible for the adipose fin to grow back after being clipped. Actually, it is something that is considered for tagging studies and there is a lot of research out there that explains this very well. If you look closely at the fin, you may be able to tell if the top of the fin is fairly flat and is not rounded like a natural adipose would be. If you have some pictures that show this up close, I may be able to help you determine if it is a clipped fin or not. I work with Atlantic salmon in Maine and have worked at salmon hatcheries for over 25 years and have fin clipped thousands of fish during this time.

 

I don’t think I got any clear shots of the adipose area, but I do remember the fin being a bit squared off, so it probably was just a planted fish that grew the fin back.

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On 8/7/2018 at 11:39 AM, Fishnatzee said:

Char master,

Yes it is certainly possible for the adipose fin to grow back after being clipped. Actually, it is something that is considered for tagging studies and there is a lot of research out there that explains this very well. If you look closely at the fin, you may be able to tell if the top of the fin is fairly flat and is not rounded like a natural adipose would be. If you have some pictures that show this up close, I may be able to help you determine if it is a clipped fin or not. I work with Atlantic salmon in Maine and have worked at salmon hatcheries for over 25 years and have fin clipped thousands of fish during this time.

Not the same fish, but what do you think of this one? 20” fish I harvested today had no fin clips, a fully developed adipose, and nice orange meat. Wild?

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That certainly looks like a full adipose fin, not sure what the other ones look like. I am not familiar with the tagging program there, so having an adipose fin may be a good indicator of wild origin. I would also look at the other fins to check there condition as well before determining if it originated from a hatchery. Typically the dorsal and caudal fins will show some signs of abnormal growth such as bent fins rays, damaged tissue, lumps and bumps along dorsal fin rays etc...

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  We fished lakers on Friday  got 10 out of 12 to the boat biggest was 18+ #'s.  A bit west of the stacks in 110-116 fow.  Had a fun day catching, but rough waters.

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Not quite Dunkirk, but has anyone heard of any Lakers off of North East within the past week? Two weekends ago we went 8/11 in just under 4 hours in PA waters, but the NE wind helped to push some cold water over west to us so I’m not sure if there’s still any Lakers hanging around. Hate to make the 20 mile boat ride if there’s no fish left.

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Have you tried heading north out of North East?  There has to be cold water past the mountain drop off. I catch lakers heading north out of Barcelona all the time. 

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14 minutes ago, jigstick said:

Have you tried heading north out of North East?  There has to be cold water past the mountain drop off. I catch lakers heading north out of Barcelona all the time. 

I headed all the way out to 146 FOW back in July and couldn’t find one fish out there. That said, I fished as shallow as 80 FOW too and there weren’t fish anywhere in between those depths. PA is just spotty this time of year, never know what the bottom temps will be. That said, it’s probably still worth a try since this will likely be my last weekend of boat fishing while the thermocline is still stable.

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Any of you guys know if the thermocline is still set up after that major blow last week? Debating whether to try for Lakers one last time for the year on Saturday or Sunday (winds permitting), but I’m not sure if they’ll still be concentrated down deep or scattered and tight lipped. Could always troll the creek mouths for Steel if nothing else, I suppose.

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Char..... I fished out of the Catt on Sunday, and in 80 fow, just a touch East of the creek, the temps went from about 64 F to 56 F, from 50 feet down to 60 feet down. The walleyes were laying on top of that temp break, 40 - 50 down, and lakers and steelhead were in the colder water. We got some of each on identical lures using identical presentations...... lead core and sticks. There were salmonids laying on the bottom and harassing the bait there...... The further West we went the closer to the surface that break came, so being after walleyes, I went back East after figuring that out...... good luck if you go. 

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1 hour ago, Traveling Circus said:

Char..... I fished out of the Catt on Sunday, and in 80 fow, just a touch East of the creek, the temps went from about 64 F to 56 F, from 50 feet down to 60 feet down. The walleyes were laying on top of that temp break, 40 - 50 down, and lakers and steelhead were in the colder water. We got some of each on identical lures using identical presentations...... lead core and sticks. There were salmonids laying on the bottom and harassing the bait there...... The further West we went the closer to the surface that break came, so being after walleyes, I went back East after figuring that out...... good luck if you go. 

Thanks for the info! In that case I’ll probably give it a try, as long as the waves cooperate.

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Lots of lakers right out front of Dunkirk. 100 ft

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