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What's new on Mexico? Chewing on making last run for the season but weather forecasts look a little dicey. 4 1/2 hr hump for me. Just running a 16 ' but don't need to go past the 80 for plugging. Your honest scrutiny will be taken. Thanks folks.

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I'm not heading up this weekend due to other commitments but if I was based on projected winds I would plan to stay in the 50 to 60 foot range on Saturday and fishing in the river on Sunday. Be careful in a 16 footer this weekend. She can get ugly in a hurry this time of year.

Hey thanks for the report I see your from Montrose Pa nice place I,ve been there a few times.

We fished Mexico Bay from Sept 3, - Sept 9 had some good luck my boat did 7 Kings and 1 coho

biggest king 27lbs smallest 17.5 lbs Green on Green and white on white 80 to 65 feet of water always close to the bottom

running mostly 2.5 speed at the ball. I guess I was miss informed about flashers I had heard 30' was the max distance behind the ball because they stop preforming after that , But It takes someone like yourself to go beyond normal and make a difference.

I will be trying that next time. Thanks

Don't get me wrong, I do run short leads on flashers some of the time with success. But if I am marking fish and not getting hits, lengthening the leads out is usually the first change I make.

I think that if you see streakers on your graph heading down to the bottom away from your rigger balls, a long lead gets hits that a short one won't. The ball drives them to the bottom, then they get settled, look up, and along comes your flasher and they are in a perfect ambush position being under it thats too good to pass up.

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What was your speed at the ball?

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2.5 was best for us.

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I've never ran them that far behind. Not even half that distance behind. Maybe I'll give it a try sometime. Interesting.

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Keep your riggers about 10 feet apart for depth (ie one at 50 one 60 and one at 70) and about 20 feet apart for lead length with the longest being the shallow one. (Shallow at 100 middle at 80 and deep at 60). Rarely get tangles, even with dipsies and copper out at the same time.

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You run Flasher and Fly 100 feet behind ball?

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Yes I do. Especially when boat traffic is heavy or I see a lot of streakers running away from the balls on the graph.

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Had four productive days in the bay with a total of 22 bites and 19 hitting the deck (1 Brown, 2 cohos, 16 mature kings). Largest was 28lbs. We worked near the fleet most of the time and while the graph wasn't as stellar as mid-pack, the targets that were there were more cooperative. Riggers 50 feet down pulling FF 100 feet behind the ball in green/chrome and yellow/chrome with green/mirage flies did the bulk of the work. Short coppers in the 200 to 300 range and dipsies out 150 took their fair share as well, pulling the same rigs.

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Worked 110 to 160 from high rocks to the observation tower solo from 7 till noon. One Steelhead on a dipsy out 300 and a knock off on a rigger. Good screen in 110 to 120 but tough bite.

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2 for 3 on Saturday and 3 for 5 on Sunday. All but a few on long coppers. Fairly sharp turns and speed changes were key to get the coppers moving vertically in the water column and induce strikes.

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Bags or Buckets with sturdy handles are the way to go. I like Amish Buggy bags myself. Tie them so they are about 2/3rd the way back on the boat and tie a piece of rope to the cod end (rear) and loop it over a rod holder so you can grab it a pull the bag out quickly if need be. Sometimes you will need to run both bags, sometimes only one depending on wind and desired speed. They also take the wander out that a v bottom boat tends to have at slow speeds. Trolling plates have a tendency to be forgotten about and then get broken when you try to go full throttle at the end of the day and some people believe that they produce unwanted stresses on the gimble of the i/o at plane leading to increased wear and failure.

Get a pair of bags.

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I run two dipseys per side, 1.5 and 3 setting at least 75 feet between the two longer on the outside, four riggers and a copper out atleast 300 down the chute. In my opinion running copper out the sides is asking for trouble. Never set copper out fast, thumb it till you can engage the drag on a low setting and then let it go out a few clicks at a time. Never have a problem hanging the copper even on sharp turns.

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We ran dipsys and copper only all last week ad did very well. The four riggers on the boat sat idle after the first two days when we didnt have a release on them but the dipsys and copper fired like clockwork. Targeting the 80 to 100 foot depths we ran 350 to 380 back on a 3.5 with 50# power pro for the outsides and 250 to 300 back on a 2 setting with wire on the insides; pulling plugs, spoons and meat, only had a couple hits on flies.

A fox drag off the bottom rigger may work better

I wouldnt run two coppers own the chute but I do run a copper and a pump handle down the chute over top of four riggers. The copper and pump handle do not tangle because the handle is deeper faster than the copper but still out further than the riggers.

In my estimation by fishing the lake and Salmon River the last 20 yrs there are always early rain events in late August and early Sept that send a few fish upriver but the main run almost invaritably hits the river September 25 to October 15. There are and will be plenty of fish available in the lake for at least a few weeks.

We still use em. Glow greens in the morning and silver bullets when the sun gets on the water. Mix them with spinnys/dodgers and flies and you will do fine. Just keep the spinnys and Js separate by several feet vertical unless you enjoy tangels.