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LOC has covered observers in the past at no charge at tournaments. Be sure to check before assuming. The fish will have to be weighed in separately at an official LOC station.

Rule clarification regarding time to be in weigh in line. Under rule 2 it says 3:00. Under rule 8 it says 3:30. Or am I reading it wrong?

Congrats. Sweet fish and great story.

Headed out a little later than most and saw a bunch if boats in tight by shipbuilders doing the brownie program. We decided to start at 90 and head north. Saw some bait and marks I the 100 ft range but no takers. Continued north through a dead zone until we hit 175 fow. Doubled up on divers lost one, the other had a teen king. Ended up heading west while landing the fish and getting set back up. About five minutes after setting back up we were in 190 fow and the 40ft rigger fires with a NK28 spook. Then the dipsy fires again. Rigger fish keeps ripping. Dipsy fish gets off. Had a rookie on rigger fish so it was a little difficult to gauge size before it hit the floor. Tipped our boat scale at 29#s. Not bad for her first time ever salmon fishing. Weighed in at 28.14 for the LOC.

Nice trip! Way to go Lou.

How much are they? Are they ready to ship? Thanks.

Congrats! May it be the first of many more.

On my way home from Sodus I noticed that Fastrack on rt 104 in Ontario near the Tops market has a sign out for "Ethanol Free Premium now available".

I vote for possum. Those things are butt ugly on land or sea.

I was wondering how the Open division boats were notified of the no-go on Saturday of the Niagara Pro-Am since they can start as early as they want and are not restricted to leaving from the specific tournament port(s). They could certainly be out of VHF range and leave before notification of the combined division. Would be a real bummer if you went out and fished and didn't find out until you got to the weigh-in. Did they just call everyone? Seems easy enough, just interested in how it actually happened.

On my(our) third boat partnering with a friend. It's worked out well for over 20 years now. That said, our investment has always been relatively small (less than 5k on boat alone). I wouldn't recommend it for everyone, but it certainly allowed us to have a better rig together than I could swing on my own. We split all the equipment, insurance, maintenance, etc.

Hi guys I am Capt. Tom Burke from Cold Steel. I am one of the lucky ones who participated on the commitee. I'm just going to go through all my thoughts on these issues.

We saw tourney numbers dwindling and wanted to try and reverse that trend. After lots of discussions We ended up focusing on trying to take what we thought were the best attributes from all the tournaments that were out there. Pro ams, WHI, Scotty's, new Atommik Inv.

We had to do this under word from the county directors that things should also be made easier from their standpoint. Due to less resources & tightening budgets on their end.

Seeing pro am fields shrink last year and the new WHI event get off to a great start caught our attention. Afterall it was a 1 division, 1 day, top place prize loaded event. It got me excited! But to my surprise seemed to excite big, small, pro & am teams as well!!

So we decided to make our top division in the 2012 Pro am series go in that direction. But wanted to keep some of what we had as well. If we were going to get a larger field in the top division we wanted to also increase opportunity. So we added another category. 5/6 fish(fields choice) and the standard 12 fish.

Then we wanted to add prize opportunities. Most tourneys offered between 10(WHI,Atommik,scotty) 20&25(pro am) Some argued for 30 or 40, while some of us pushed for and got 60.

Although that number watered down the payout for some top finishing boats, unless they swept the field. We felt it gave more chances to all, especially being paid out by 20 spots, 3 times.

As someone pointed out worst case scenario 4 good boats going on a roll could get up to 24 checks. But do the math. old pro am, 20 payouts I could win 1, leaving 19 more. New pro am, 4 guys win 24, there are still 36 payouts left!!

I don't know if this will be great? No one does. But I do know some of us put allot of time into it with the best intentions, despite what some think.

One reason for the survey is the biggest change we wanted to make is to have people feel the tournament wanted and would listen to their opinions!

Because of that and from what I have read here. My only personal goal left is to work with whoever I can, as fast as I can to enhance the open division in anyway possible. So that any current Am teams and any new teams who don't want to enter the top division will have a division that they will enter, compete and feel comfortable with.

Here are my last thoughts on what has been said:

Entry fee-Wanted to give field a choice(650/850). 95% of discussion i've heard has been $650, I think that will be it.

Rods-8 or 9? To be voted on. Most of what I have heard is 8

Morning start. We really didn't address this and I think some make valid points. I know I would not want to be in a smaller boat during a shotgun start in one of these events! I will bring it up.

Maybe I would get in and just go for the small box. But I would have to compete against a bigger boat which might get 12 then weigh in his biggest 5/6. Again we were looking at other tourneys. Scotty's allow 6 people on board, 8 rods, in canada the limit is 5 per man, and you can cull! A boat could possibly catch 50 fish, keep 30 and weigh in biggest 5 but still many small boats enter each year. Our tourney you are limited to first 12 legal fish boated.

I am not big on the chat boards. I will try and stay on here. Really appreciate some of the good responses and ideas some had. I can be reached at 315-298-2500 and will try to talk to anyone I can.

I hope this all works out well, but you never know. We are going to keep trying to make it better and get the information out there.

Tom

Tom,

My suggestions for the Open:

1. Leave the entry fee as is.

2. Increase the fishing time. With no separate Am division it should easily be able to be pushed out without interference at the weigh-in.

3. Possibly bump the fish up to the best 4.

Thanks for considering.

Pat

Any changes to the Recreational/Open division discussed? Maybe a little longer to fish now that there isn't both a Pro and Am separation? Maybe up it to 4 fish? I think $850 is a bit rich for my team's budget.

Congrats on the buck. Every deer shot with a bow is a trophy. Got one question.....did you club it over the head with your new bow?.........I don't see an entrance or exit hole

I shot it on the opposite side as it was quartering away. No pass through, but that Rage 2-blade sliced the top third of the heart right off. The arrow did come back out, but through the hole it went in. He didn't go far.

Middlesex, NY 10/16/11.

Picked up a "new to me" Hoyt Ultratech about a month ago. Gotta say it's a definate improvement over the Bear Whitetail II I've been using for 25 years. Thanks to my dad (LandingZone) for finding the bow, Guerin-teed for setting it up, and to Dale Copey for cutting it up (the deer)!

Fishing Report

Your Name / Boat Name:

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TRIP OVERVIEW

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Date(s):7/10 Sun

Time on Water: 6-11am

Weather/Temp: nice and toasty

Wind Speed/Direction: south

Waves: 2s then settled down

Surface Temp:low 70s

Location: N and NE of bay

LAT/LONG (GPS Cords):

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FISHING RESULTS

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Total Hits: 6

Total Boated:5

Species Breakdown:3 nice cohos, 1 king, 1 brown

Hot Lure: 42 second, stinger NBK

Trolling Speed: 2.2-2-6

Down Speed:

Boat Depth: 125-350

Lure Depth: 40-100

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SUMMARY & FURTHER DETAILS

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Hoped to find a few teenagers out there today, but no luck. Covered a lot of area with a slow pick, but never found the hot zone.

20 years ago people just got up and went fishing instead of getting on the internet and talking about it.

I'm in favor of no communication, but asking people to sign a commitment opposite the tournement rules that they've already agreed to and paid money to participate in, and then blacklisting them online if they don't doesn't sit right with me.

Fishing Report

Your Name / Boat Name: Spoonfed

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TRIP OVERVIEW

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Date(s):5-29

Time on Water: 7-1

Weather/Temp:

Wind Speed/Direction:

Waves: <1s

Surface Temp:

Location: north of I-bay

LAT/LONG (GPS Cords):

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FISHING RESULTS

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Total Hits: 13

Total Boated:9

Species Breakdown:steelies, coho

Hot Lure: red sounder, red/yellow sutton

Trolling Speed: 2.7

Down Speed:

Boat Depth: 200 fow

Lure Depth: surface to 20 ft down

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SUMMARY & FURTHER DETAILS

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nice day out there. flat as a pancake. steady pick all day on the steelies plus a couple bonus cohos. mainly small spoons on the surface with a couple cohos wacking the dipseys out 50. Heard some talk of people getting fish off riggers, but we couldn't buy a fish on them.

Ryno23,

I Sent you an email.

Fishing Report

Your Name / Boat Name: Spoonfed

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TRIP OVERVIEW

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Date(s):4-10-11

Time on Water:7-noon

Weather/Temp: overcast

Wind Speed/Direction: south

Waves: less than 1s

Surface Temp: 40-42

Location: I- bay to Hedges

LAT/LONG (GPS Cords):

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FISHING RESULTS

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Total Hits: 6

Total Boated:3

Species Breakdown: 2 browns, 1 laker

Hot Lure: Black/silver or black/gold rapala, Dirty white boy Stinger

Trolling Speed:

Down Speed:

Boat Depth: 6-25 fow

Lure Depth:

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SUMMARY & FURTHER DETAILS

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Shakedown cruise. Nice day to be on the water.

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