Wow, thanks alot to all you guys for the info, I have tried fishing in the 40 to 60 foot range with not much luck but i'm also not near any drop offs or points. Like i said we were killin them just useing a couple of seth green rigs with some sutton spoons, but the water cooled down and bang hardly catching any. I try some other spots and use your guys ideas and let you all know how i make out, not sure if i'll make out this weekend or not might half to shoot the big buck instead. lol thanks alot and good luck..