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It will get you deeper than lead core, 22' down per 100' out seems to be the common wisdom for 45# copper. Lead core is roughly 5' down per 30' out at 1.8- 2 mph, using 18# or 27# mason or Cortland Kerplunk. Deadly on browns before they go deep. Easier to deal with tangles. But you will max out shallower than copper depth wise.

Shorter rods with a forgiving tip, and a stiff butt make it a bit easier to deal with once you have a fish on, but they also keep the copper closer to your other stuff if not run off boards.

Wire dipsy / copper tangles are a real nightmare. I call copper " the saw". Expensive, time and money wise, and demoralizing. And in boat traffic, add factor a three. Off of big boards, out of your spread, go for it if you have the manpower. You will see what I mean. You have to try it though, I know !

Copper works, but it is work. That's all I have to say about that. If you have an energetic crew, go for it. If you will be fishing solo much, throw it overboard as quickly as possible, and forget it. 2 wire dipsys and 2 riggers will keep 2 guys busy if there is a decent bite on. Many will disagree. Just my 2 cents Jon.

Orangediablo, If you find a mid-late 90's Tiara for that or any price range, or especially a Baha, Penn Yan, or Sportcraft, have it surveyed. Have any boat you are thinking of buying surveyed. Stringers, transom, bulkhead for moisture. Make sure the surveyor uses a good moisture meter and follows up with a tapping hammer over very inch. Thru hull fittings, anywhere there are holes or cuts though the glass. Water is insidious. Also engine hours, compression, etc. Trust me, it will save you big troubles and big expense to know where the issues are in advance. 

Best of luck !

Sorry to hear that Jon, a lot of coin to have issues. You still bought a great !

Moisture in stringers, transom, bulkheads, Engine hours, compression, outdrives if I/O. Been there. Thanks !

Absolutely positively. Been there, no fun. Thank you sir.

bandrus1. Sorry, auto spell correct 

Thanks bandits, I will enquire.

I don't expect to find what I am looking for what I would prefer to spend, just want to pay a fair price for what I am looking for, and not buy problems.  

Not a charter, just a regular guy looking for a solid ride that doesn't need a lot of TLC. 

Been looking for a 3100, but few and far between, and a big name premium. 

Thanks guys, a beauty, but bigger that I can handle, and salt, and no detail on hours, etc.., but thanks for the heads up !

I am in the market for the right boat. Needs to be capable of comfortable weekending and fishing. Thinking 28'-31'. Low hours, good stringers/transom, etc.. Autopilot. No junk. Looking for a fair deal for a great boat. Please PM if you know of one for sale.

Tight lines to all.

Good luck 

That will help you.

So do you have a recent survey ? Bud ?

I should have just spent the 10k to replace the stringers, transom and bulkhead. Cheaper that starting over. 

All good, your sale.

And nice 1999 trailer included BTW.

Sir, I assume that you have the best intentions at heart. I am looking for a boat this size, but no one wants surprises. I think we all just want the same thing: An honest and fair deal, full disclosure, and no nasty surprises. I sold my 1999 PY 265, 350 Bravo III, ran great, completely loaded. Furuno radar, Furono Sonar/GPS x 2, Simrad AP14 Autopilot, Scotty electrics, planer reels, Fishhawk X4D, and Subtroll, Yami 9.9 4 stroke kicker, Furuno radar, etc.. I honestly thought the stringers, transom etc., were solid. As it turned out they were rotten. Sold for 8K. As much as it hurt my wallet on the sale, I can sleep at night knowing nobody got hurt on the deal, except maybe me. I sleep well. More details are needed if you have them. Year, engine hours, professional survey to back up stringers and motors being good. I don't think you will find a qualified buyer who won't want to know these things. And as for stringers and moisture, only a good survey tells that story. Just my 2 cents.

Ok, thanks, and tight lines 

Do they have 110 hook up as well for home hook up, or just 12 volt ?

Would you take $100 for the Alpenas only ?