ac holmes

I don't have any pics and it would be difficult to get any decent ones right now. If you are interested, I would be pleased to talk to you on the phone and give more details on the history, condition and extras that are part of this package. You can call me toll free if you like at 800-597-0688 and ask for Andrew.

20K... call me @ 831-241-8018 too much boat and equipment to describe here

Bass Pro

that's me...Bayliner 2302 walk around with twin Honda 90's and all the bells a whistles. My boats for sale at Seneca Marine on 4th street. I need to consider family events on the water with a different boat as my current rig is totally rigged for fishing.

1989 Bayliner Trophy 2302, walk around, new canvas 2008, hull rock solid Twin 2001 Honda 90's, 300 hours, professionally maintained, as good as new 2006 Load Rite tandem axle trailer Baystar Hydraulic steering new 2008 Simrad auto pilot new 2008 Humminbird 595c new 2008 Cannon speed-n-temp new 2008 Two Scotty depth power downriggers new 2008 Two fish wells Live bait well Lots of custom wood work 6 high quality stainless rod holders wash down pump Big Jon electric planer board mast with two Otter boats Two custom installed copper rigs with 1000' on each reel Interior cushions and porti potti This is a good boat, ready to fish anywhere, and can hold up very well to a in depth survey $20,000 firm

Here is the link: http://www.boatingbusiness.com/archive1 ... _covenants Simrad (navico) stuff is better anyway but costs more, Cheers, Andrew

Thanks for the feedback on fishing copper guys, I had no idea how copper is used in deep water trolling currently. It all makes sense concerning turbulence and a sonic signature of dipsies, downrigger balls, flashers, dodgers, spin drs, etc., however, the lure itself leaves a signature, but I guess the trick is to get that signature to mimic a bait fish and I suspect that has a lot to do with speed and current according to specific lures or combos. I always had the idea in "the old days" when we banged solid copper on the bottom with no leader and a heavy spoon, that the clicking sound of the spoon on the rocks was transmitted through the wire to your fingers like a telegraph line and the wire brought fish in to the lure. About 1972-73, as I remember, green slime appeared on the bottom and the lure was soon a mess of bright green slime, so we kinda gave up on that kind of fishing. Seth green rigs continued to work of course. I have tryed the old copper technique in the last 2 years and have hooked a few fish but soon get a zebra mussel or two on the point of the hook. I have seen a lot of ads for "black boxes" to control the electronic signature. What's the deal with that idea? Any solid evidence that they help or harm in catching fish? I am not complaning about Seneca Lake as I am catching a lot of fish quite regularly and some good sized ones as well. I am on the flat part of the learning curve now, but got my nose out of joint yesterday getting skunked after doing so well in the last month. I plan to give it another whack in the AM if the weather is OK. Cheers, AC Holmes

Hi Mike, May I ask what you mean when you say "copper?" In the old days (1960s and 70s) when I fished Seneca before I moved away for 25 years, we fished copper exclusively (or sometimes a Seth Green rig). This was a method for trolling that went back to the 1800s on Seneca. Our use of copper was solid wire fished as a hand line on the bottom with a heavy spoon called a Pluger #4 and no leader at all. Later in the year, we fished black "twin minnows" with 10-15 feet of heavy leader, one again, on the bottom. What is considered a "copper rig" these days? Cheers, Andrew

To all those intrepid trollers out there, I got up this AM and promised my wife an exciting fishing trip on Seneca South end, based I the way we have been hammering the trout and LLs for two weeks. We trolled for 5 hours in the same water with the same tackle and techniques and got skunked. About 8 miles north of Watkins on the West side I marked many, many fish, on the bottom, in 230-280 FOW. Maybe they were spawning there or having a big get together of some kind. I tryed spoons, cheaters, flashers, spin DRs and flys, top water, medium water and also fished deep with the riggers for an hour or so. Had my good sea wife not been bored to death by then, I would have tryed bouncing the bottom for the fish in deep water with jigs and spoons, a big sinker and a 3 way swivel. Any feed back on this sudden shut down is appreciated...what do you think? Best, Andrew

Jason and I got together for the last day we will have to fish this season before I pull my boat. It was 20 degrees when we started from Watkins this AM and we trolled North at about 2.8 MPH. The action started right away with a nice LL (photo included of Jason holding the fish) and it was hot and heavy for the next 7 or 8 miles. I actually lost count of how many fish we boated (either 15 or 17) and at least 6 fish got off. By noon we were ready for a sandwhich and the day had turned out to be perfect with a very light breeze and lots of warm sunshine. My arms were tired from reeling in fish and the bite slowed down about noon. We picked up 3 or 4 more fish on the way back and the wind came up out of the North. The bite today was all about flashers, spin doctors and Big Weenie flys down quite deep (70-90) over 120-200 FOW and LLs and lakers. Photos include Jason with what we kept for dinner. It was for me the best day I have ever had on Seneca. Cheers, Andrew

Hi Folks, Jason was kind enough to join me on my old tub today and gave me a post graduate course on the fine points of late fall trolling on Seneca. We boated 4 fish (1 rainbow, 2 LLs and a laker, all spoon bite down about 35 feet on cheaters off the riggers which we were running at 60-80 feet with 15 pounds of lead. We had a great day on the water. It was a little choppy and chilly and had the whole South end to ourselves. Pictures included of a nice bow and a perfect LL. Best wishes, Andrew (ac) Holmes

Boated 5 fish today (all lakers, 3-6 lbs.) on silver flasher and green fly, 60-80 down on riggers over 80- 250 FOW. I am spraying the tackle with "gulp" herring flavor, and am getting converted to the concept of flavor and scent on the lure. I think it is a well kept secret by the folks who catch fish on a regular basis. I lost two salmon at the net (one small and one 5 lbs. or so). The salmon both hit a silver and pink flutter spoon rigged as a cheater. Later in the day, I hooked a big fish 200 feet back, on a large, heavy silver spoon, at the surface. Did not see the fish and only had it on for 30 seconds or so, but it was heavy for sure. I Nearly pulled my boat a couple of weeks ago but have had the best fishing this year in the last two weeks. I had some health issues last summer so I did not fish at all for 5 weeks or so. I feel like it was a lucky choice to leave the boat in the water into November. I saw some guys sneaking perch over the transom today...three different boats at the ELKS club location on Rte. 14. Good luck to all, Andrew

I fished the South end near Watkins this AM and boated five LL and one Laker. The photo is what I kept for dinner. One LL took a stickbait right at the surface 150 feet behind the boat, another hit a silver spoon setup as a cheater on the rigger with the ball down 40 feet, and the laker took a silver flasher and green fly. Surface temp is 42-44 degrees and boatspeed is 2.5. I have been catching fish everytime I go out and the weeds and fleas have dissappeared.

I have boated 6 Lakers, in the last 2 days on the south end of Seneca between Watkins Glen and "Salt Point" (as it used to be called) on the west side. A few weeds and a hint of fleas but no real trouble. The west side was weedy so I did not go there. All the fish were between 3-4 pounds and all hit a green and silver fly behind a silver flasher...both fly and flasher have an "e-chip" and have been generously sprayed with GULP, herring flavored goop. Five fish on riggers at 65-70 FOW over 120 to 200 foot bottom, and one on medium dipsey, with 220 ft of wire out, boat speed 2.2-2.6 mph. Also, lost two similar fish at the boat. A fishing buddy fished the same area today in his own boat and boated at least 7 fish, 5 of which were nice, fat LL that hit gold and orange spoons in 40 FOW. He was still catching fish when I headed for the dock at about 4:OOPM. All the fish I caught and cleaned were stuffed with fresh saw bellies, so they are back on the feed. I continue to mark many, many fish in the entire water column, and interestingly, marked lots of fish way deep between 180-250 FOW today for the first time since summer. I am tempted to fish deep one day soon with a three way swivel, a pound of lead and a Sutton 88. I am pleased with all this because I am starting to understand the flasher/fly method and am finally catching some fish with the rig. I think the flasher represents a feeding fish which arouses interest for nearby fish and the fly therefore may seem like dinner. I like fishing the flasher/fly off the rigger as it is very simple and easy to handle. Cheers, Andrew

Jason and others, I fished the South end again today. One small salmon on a green spoon on the wire with a dipsey. Along toward dark I found the fish again about half way between the Salt Company point and the south end of the lake in about 120 FOW. I have never in my life seen so many fish and bait balls in one area on Seneca. It was if you could get out of the boat and walk on them for a mile or so, and they were in the entire water column from 30 feet to 140 or so. But, they were not biting for me and I tried just about everything before it got too dark to fish. Also, I marked a lot of smaller fish today at the 10-15 foot level for the first time this fall. I am going to fish for those guys tomorrow as they may be Rainbows as the surface temp is now about 53 degrees. Cheers, Andrew

Hi Jason, I was out there today in the Trophy with dual Honda 90's and we exchanged a few words about catching fish. I fish the south end a lot and have hit the salmon pretty hard this year and the lakers a little, from time to time. I like fishing for the LL as they are better to eat I think, and more fun to catch. I will be in your secret spot in the AM and dragging something yellow for sure. Maybe I will see you in the AM. I have been away from NY for more than 20 years, but used to fish Seneca hard in my youth with solid copper wire and slaughtered the lakers on Phluger 4's converted to a # 5 hook, in the spring, and then switched to black Twin Minnows throughout the summer and fall, around Peach Orchard Point. We fished the Phlugers without leader and the Twin Minnows with about 20 feet of 20#Leader. I have had to learn to fish all over again, but I have caught a few lakers bouncing the bottom in the old fashioned way. Now I have all the bells and whistles with down riggers and dipseys and cannot say that I catch as many fish as I used to, and certainly not as many big fish as I used to. I took a lot of foolish chances with a 14 foot Old Town cedar lapstrake boat and and an old 12 HP outboard, and caught the most fish when the lake was rolling 4 footers. A lot of the fish I used to catch in the 70's had " Lampers" on them and the lake was full of smelt as well as saw bellys. I think Seneca if still full of fish and also contains big lakers but no one fishes the bottom any more the way we used to. I see the big guys all the time on the bottom in 100+ feet of water on my fish finder but don't bother fishing for them. I suspect that the method of fishing in the modern world does not get down on the bottom in a 135 feet of water where the big guys are. I know they are there but do not move around much chasing spoons and flys. Best, Andrew