bigted

51 minutes ago, Chuck Smth said:

bigted, on a conventional reel there is no problem reeling against the drag.  On a spinning rod, yes, it causes line twist and should be avoided, but on a conventional no problem. You can set your drag with a scale but as the line peels off the spool the drag force increases, so by always reeling you can monitor how the drag is set. As you lose or gain back line you'll need to readjust. On the small reels used for salmon it's not too big a deal but as you probably know, if you fight a bigger fish on say, a 30 or 50 sized reel you need to stay on top of it. 

 

So, conventional reel yes, spinning no. 

 

The other thing is that about half the time mature salmon will make one last dash as they get near the boat. I usually back off the drag and use thumb pressure for the last 30 or so feet on a mature salmon so when they take off I can let them go but still keep the rod bent. That will result in some "dead reeling" too.  Regardless of your drag technique, you always want the rod bent and putting pressure on the fish! Always be watching the rod tip. 

 

Thanks,

Chuck

That's all fine.  Been at this a while myself.  Good point regarding the drag tension vs the amount of line on the spool.  Many overlook that.

I'll just say if you are dipping the rod and reeling - while the fish is taking line (or in a stalemate leaning on you) - you are giving the fish an opportunity to take advantage of slack line on a turn, and wasting a ton of effort to boot.

My OP was to point out that there is fish fighting instruction going on in that video, and at the same time poor drag management going on over and over.

One more question: Do you think "side pressure" makes a bit of difference when there's 150+ feet of line out there ?

Tight lines.

Watch the video.

I'm talking about reeling against the drag and not gaining any line.

WOW ! Awesome fish.

Curious what the fish was worth per pound ?

Wondering if prices match the "Wicked Tuna" show ?

You give fish fighting tips in the video, but I think I saw you dead reel against drag 50 times.  

Sounds like those guys didn't want to stop fishing for a second.  Couldn't they have just driven over to the guy and returned his stuff ?

I’m taking my gf to Niagara Falls this will be her first time also To do some adventuring around . I’m not hauling my boat up to have it sit somewhere . Can anyone lend a good lead on a charter boat I could take her out on in the Niagara to Ollcott direction. Thanks for the help

I believe Wolverine tackle has discontinued this but might still make some up for you if you contact them....

That's a Silver Streak Green Sexy Shad.

1 hour ago, Hacrwj said:

I’m heading over from Michigan on Sunday. Watching the reports from ‘reel excitement charters’. He says they are out deep in the 30’s or 31’ He’s also a little east of Olcott.

Appreciate the reports. I’m staying west of Wilson sounds like good times at the lighthouse this weekend. I’m planning to fish out of Wilson but will probably head East


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A little east of Olcott ?  Hope you're joking.  Bob's in Oak Orchard.

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On 7/14/2020 at 1:03 PM, TyeeTanic said:

Perplexed ... what boat speed are you at when you deploy?

 

Obviously it's sinking fast, or the dipsey lines are way too high.  You sure the dipsey isn't popping prematurely?

 

 

Dipsies aren't popping prematurely.  Mine was out 250 on a 2 setting yesterday when it happened.

We were running 2.6 over ground (2.8 at the ball) when it happened yesterday.

I think it makes great sense that we haven't been keeping the copper behind the boat until it drags for a while, letting it come up in the water column a bit before sending it out. We were hitting a lot of fish yesterday and when it's like that we are anxious to get the coppers out on the boards and out of the way...

33 minutes ago, TyeeTanic said:

Perplexed ... what boat speed are you at when you deploy?

 

Obviously it's sinking fast, or the dipsey lines are way too high.  You sure the dipsey isn't popping prematurely?

 

 

Dipsies aren't popping prematurely.  Mine was out 250 on a 2 setting yesterday when it happened.

We were running 2.6 over ground (2.8 at the ball) when it happened yesterday.

I think it makes great sense that we haven't been keeping the copper behind the boat until it drags for a while, letting it come up in the water column a bit before sending it out. We were hitting a lot of fish yesterday and when it's like that we are anxious to get the coppers out on the boards and out of the way...

More excellent suggestions.  Thanks Gentlemen.

Thanks for the input so far.

We're running big boards (not inline) so letting them running further back the chute before sending them outside the dipsies is not an option.  It could well be an issue of having them get into each other while turning, as we never realize they are tangled until we retrieve one or the other. (board line or dipsy)  As I said, it's not happening all the time so there has to be some other X-factor at play.  Maybe current  ?

If we run the copper out without the dipsy deployed, they do NOT tangle.  We run our boards out far enough to keep them outside the dipsies IMHO. We thought changing to a "2" setting as opposed to a "3" on dipsies would fix things, as the dipsies run straighter down (and closer to the boat), but as I said it happened again anyway.

Hoping someone here can help with a problem we're having with our coppers:

This never used to be an issue, and we cannot figure out why it is now.  When we launch our 300 and 400 coppers out the back of the boat, then send them out on the planer lines over our wire dipsies (one each side), the dipsies are getting into the coppers sporadically, and I'm sure you can imagine or have seen the mess it causes.

I've been on other boats where this never happens - in fact, I've never seen it until this year, and we just dealt with another mess today.  Our first thought was that we were running spoons on the coppers, and they don't produce enough drag, causing the coppers to sink too quickly and find the dipsies.  Well, today we ran flasher-flies on them and had it happen again.  Even worse actually because spin doctors spin LOL.  We try to make sure to run the copper out with some drag, but that's not the fix either.  We've also began running the dipsies on a 2 setting instead of the usual 3, but that doesn't fix the problem.

Any insight as to why this is happening and/or advice to prevent it ?

As of now, our fix is to pull the dipsy, launch the copper, and then re-launch the dipsy.  It's a royal pain.

Any help would be greatly appreciated !

Hey Bigted,
Sorry if I crowded your spots. I was trying to steer clear of bigger boats’ trolling paths. Occasionally I’ll try to run parallel to guys that I would guess have down speed to see how different it might be.

When I hook a fish I usually turn away from the track of the other dipsy to avoid major tangles. So far so good. The boat’s only so wide and I would guess the other dipsy is at most 10 ft away side-to-side.

I keep arial flares with me just in case. I realize it’s hard to spot and I’ve actually had guys snoozing at the helm that have gotten pretty close before turning away.

Looks like Friday, 8/2 should be pretty calm so I’m planning to get out again. I’m generally stabbing in the dark but I’ve managed to get half a feel for the line angle of the divers I’m using, tracking fish/depth and speed-over-ground.

I might fish Friday morning/evening and then Saturday early before heading back to Chautauqua. Probably grab a nap in the truck overnight.

Is there a bar or restaurant around there that guys go to after getting off the water?



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We saw you out there ! My only comment was that it would be hard to spot you from a distance if you got in any trouble. Pretty low to the water.
Congrats on the nice fish ! You were all over our marks LOL.


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They were calling for southwest winds 10 to 15 knots and building. When we got out there, it was straight west wind about 20 to 25 knots. That Lake was very sporty. We didn’t spend a lot of time out there. I heard it laid down later in the day instead of building like they said.

We had 3-5’s rolling through in 125 FOW.


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Way to go Yankee.  Thanks Gambler.  Where's that pic ?

So are they fishing today ??


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Aha. Thanks.


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Anyone happen to have a pic or link for the Leaderboard from St. Catharines ?

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We watched a guy in a little fish & ski out in front of Olcott on Saturday.  We were laughing because he was basically fishing in all 4 directions at once because he had NO CONTROL over that vessel.  The building south wind was eating his lunch.  And we were in about 120 feet of water.

Well, I'm not laughing now.  That guy had his family on that boat, including 2 small kids.

It just isn't worth it.

We have a boat built for the Florida Keys, and we opt for the golf course on MANY days when smaller boats are heading out.

God bless and keep those who have used poor judgment and paid so dearly for it.

On ‎7‎/‎23‎/‎2018 at 6:33 AM, Gill-T said:

With the low pressure system off the East Coast, expect a lot of East winds, waves, and cold water inside. 

Are you talking about Lake Ontario ?

The lake should be set up by the weekend.

South / west winds tonight through the weekend.

A low off the Atlantic coast means the wind will blow that way.

This is SO cool !  I have a friend who met Dave in a local eatery when he was doing the NC show and he also said he is "just as nice as can be".