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How big a boat?  Pine Grove may be open soon?  Its right on the mouth of SR.  

Pine Grove Boat Launch (ny.gov)

Saturday the 12th most of this area ( Pulaski,Port Ontario) is expecting 6-10" of SNOW.  So not sure, I'd probably be thinking another 2 weeks. 

Not so sure if Mexico Point launch is looking like, could be some logs or ice in there still.   Mexico Point Boat Launch (ny.gov)

 

Sure that aint a smelt? 

On 1/3/2022 at 10:54 AM, TyeeTanic said:

 

I misread the post I was replying to ... sorry I was reading fast, and didn't realize we had switched to braid line ... the OP spoke about using mono line ..

I did not switch subject to braid, people just started taking over the post.   LOL  NO big deal.  

I have decided to keep at the wire.   Related.....   in a pinch can twili tips be used with mono ? or will it "melt' the line? or whatever?  

 

Thanks guys.  I think I have a good grasp on the dipsy set up and such,  it was the early browns I was referring to sorry.  About the swivel set up.  I see Bill Saiff using just a snap on the spoons with his swivel up at the mono/flouro where that meets.  I was doing that but just figured try a snap WITH the swivel already attached on the business end and then my mono to flouro will be tied.  Do people think the browns or anything else would SEE the swivel with snap ( with the extra noise too maybe?  IDK )   We are not using divers at that time except out in 25 fow I had luck with TripZ divers and a couple mini divers.  Set at 20 ft or whatever at the time.  We also used weighted lines with 1oz or whatever, depends where we were.   But does it really matter if I use just a small snap ( no swivel)  at the spoon and put my swivel up 10 ft or whatever  VS  ( simpler to me ) tie the mono/flouro and put small lightweight 30# swivel/snap at the business end?   For early browns this is. Not out in 'open water' out further.  I have all my dipsies and flashers set up like the photo above. 

Sk8man   thanks for the info on 'wheres my diver' .  lol    Appreciate all that.  

 

Thanks for all this stuff guys.  And rather than post this next question in another thread I'll ask here while I seem to have a lot of guys here.   LOL   

Charts are based on Mono, how far 'off" is wire or just follow the chart and call it good?  Or let a little bit less out?   I was wondering exactly where my divers where when I had over 200 ft. out and I was using charts based on mono is what they all say.   Rule of thumb?  for wire   Thanks. 

And this doesn't belong here but swivels.    Should I put a swivel/snap on the end right on the bait end?  
Or I had SPRO swivels size 8 where mono was, then at the bait end was just a snap.  
Does this make any difference in presentation?  ( especially early browns ) ??  with spoons.   Or can I just tie my mono to the leader then at the very end a swivel with the snap?   Any thing adventageous to either method? or not so advantageous?   

20 hours ago, mr 580 said:

Sherman, for someone getting started using wire like Hounds IMO introducing other variables like using a slide diver just adds to the learning curve/frustrations.  On Lake Erie I fish slide divers exclusively and go to the “Ultimate Weight Kit” on my inside divers usually in late August.  I also use the Light Bite version for Lake Erie.  I run 45’ to 50’ behind the SD’s.  We don’t have flea issues out of Dunkirk so I use all braid all season.  Lake Ontario is a different deal-you need to fish deeper, faster and with heavier gear plus the fleas are a much bigger issue.  Lead length is less of an issue especially with flasher flies.  Most days a regular dipsey will do as well or better than a SD.  So for the majority of people using a dipsey and using wire is the best way to go.  Once someone gets their diver program dialed in then slide divers can be explored for specific applications-example outside diver higher in water column with a spoon.  SD’s have a learning curve of their own and I’ve seen a lot of people try them a trip or two then give up in frustration.   Can get expensive trying to learn too much too fast.  If you are losing gear take out variables don’t add them.

I will STILL try the slide divers just because I like a challenge and always like finding new things and new methods.  However, it probably won't be while we are fishing.   Just take the boat out to 30fow or whatever and experiment.  
I appreciate all the different things here all related, everything is related somehow.  like in Nature.  Thanks all.  

 

When the browns were in say 30fow we had good luck with the mini divers and tripZ divers. They did pretty well off boards believe it or not.  IDK about slide divers yet.  lol   Gotta get the whole wire thing down first after we head out deeper.   

Thanks all 

9 hours ago, greenboatluke said:

Kinda mentioned before, but… A tip I got for after respooling with wire was the next trip out, put a diver in the water tripped, so it doesn’t dig. Let out the entire spool under control, then reel it back in. This will put all the wire on under tension. It’s a pain, and takes some time (I have 1000’ on mine), but trip to trip performance has been better!


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Was mentioned, but thanks for posting.  I will do this next time out.  All I did was, well, we have a 300 ft driveway so I hooked it on the garage and went out and down the road then reeled in about 400 ft of it at tension.   LOL   

 

21 minutes ago, TyeeTanic said:

What reel are you going to put a minimum of 700 ft of mono on? Not your old wire ones ... that's for sure.

 

I'd much rather use braid then mono.  

 

You won't get good sink rate and you will have a heck of a time popping a dipsey when you have 200 ft or more of that mono line out.

 

Anyhow, I think people use 20 lb mono, because there isn't a real around that could hold enough 30 or 40 lb mono ... at least not one that doesn't cost a fortune.

700 ft?   lol.    I think I'm sticking with wire after all this.   LOL   

Thanks guys.  

I was wondering about cutting the kinks and re 'tying'.  Use shrink wrap?    You think the kinks are usually from line twisting or not enough tension when originally spooled?  So far, I've used wire maybe 6 trips. Not TOO much problems, but more to learn for sure.  

Thanks all. Appreciated.    Merry Xmas. 

22 hours ago, Sk8man said:

Thanks .  Yeah, all the things you mention are the things I'm having some trouble with at times, and thanks for all the tips.  

 

3 hours ago, kempie said:

 

I have been using wire and like it, but when it gets kinks and tangles I'm like WTF.  I also never set it out to say 250 and reel it back in for a nice tight spool. Will do that this spring.  I have 3 rods set up with wire and twili's.    Thanks for the reply. 

So I am pretty new to trolling on the big lake ( 4 seasons consistently now ) and I have a question on using mono for my divers and with flashers off the diver.   I want to try using straight mono rather than wire.  And, yes, I know it will troll a little different and stretch in the mono.    However, for those that do prefer mono, I keep seeing 20# on all the charts.  I would think 30# mono might work better? or even 40?  With flouro leads of course.    Also, can mono be used on my old rods with twili tips? or should I carefully cut them off and re install new eye ends?  Don't ask why I want to ditch my wire.  LOL     
Thanks for any insight you all might have, love this site.  

 

So I have tuned most of my spoons with a little more 'S" curve to them and they seem to take more fish than another of the same size and color.   Was wondering does anyone have more success ( or not noticeable ? )  with tuning a smithwick or stick bait ?  Taking the closest set of hooks near the head OFF.  Then adding aditional ring to that.  Supposedly gets better action?     Thoughts?   Just reading some things from  Ernie Lantiegne .    Adding just one Sewash hook to a spoon , taking off the trebble.  That's another thing I have not done yet.   I mean all the major companies catch fish with NO tuning, right?  SO why bother?  He says it will take more large fish.   IDK.  
 

28 minutes ago, Yankee Troller said:

I'm catching them now and right through Spring in 20' or less. You won't see 50* water until close to May.

So soon as ice is out, it really doesn't matter where you fish? I mean, find fish close to shore and its usually Browns or some steelies in April?   They just come near shore soon as ice is out?  Regardless ( more or less ) of water temps?   Thanks. 

Question on early spring fishing mostly browns.   I get in a little arguing match with my buddy every time this comes up.   So, SOON as the ice is out and its safe for the most part of large ice chunks. I used to go out with an aquaintence and we caught some browns soon as we found 45-50 degree + -   water.  I mean we did not go out crazy far, but I wanna say 50 fow or whatever,  IDK.   That was a while ago.   I now started fishing with my friend here out of SR/Sandy area.   He says no need to go out then, gotta wait til they come into shore.   I say no way.  I mean soon as it warms up enough where bait can be found out further and the fish sort of leave the shores then yes I understand that.  But what about BEFORE they get real close to shore?   Why not go troll a little bit further out? or is it normally way too far out that time of year to find that warmer water? I would think they would be somewhat active even in 45F water temps.  Would normally have to go way too far out on the Eastern Basin?   

 

Never too early for me to think about early browns or ice out brookies.   


I purchased a few mag lips for Salmon Fish'n this year but does anyone out there have favorite color choices for early browns?  Or even stick baits.  We have been doing pretty good on strictly spoons, but this spring I took a nice one on a mag lips 3"  but I want to grab up a few different color schemes this Spring.  Thanks. 

 

On 9/6/2021 at 9:46 PM, Dan P said:

Looking to head to the Adirondacks for a weekend (mid September) and do some canoe fishing / camping. Looking for suggestions on good places to target brook, lake and rainbow trout. 

Old thread but did you end up going?  Any luck?  Best of luck is usually 1-2 months after ice out.  Big brookies 5+ pounds all over the ADK's remotes now days.  But its like a damn Circuit I call it. The circuit finds out and WHAM, only fair fishing left.  Happened to my favorite pond in Five Ponds area.  Took two 5 1/2 pound fish in one weekend. Two years later all I ever got was 2 pounders.    
Spruce and Lower Sargent are decent still, but over fished. IDK about monsters in there anymore.  I know the NYS record ( IMO ) was most likely out of Spruce, NOT Silver Lake.    Rick did a LOT of fishing in Spruce, there are canoes all over in there now.   Shame.  

Wasn't sure where to post this.   Is this a crazy question or do people do this?  I'm not overly cheap, but seems like a waste, but I have a new roll of 300 Copper and also a full spooled rod of wire that I got 'effed' up, the copper was not even in the water, the wire was a tangle.  I lost 100 ft of copper ( well I don't trust it all whacked out or whatever) and same on the wire. I have partial rolls of each, is it not adviseabe to re-attach some new stuff or is that not 'safe'?  Would it just be an issue of going through the eyes and also deploying it?  Or would it twist while trolling or cause some other s$$t ? or attract fleas and such,    Or just toss it all start from scratch. WIre only has 2 trips on it.  For the money might has well buy new but just thought what a waste.  
Thanks. 

1 hour ago, jk1 said:

Photo makes it look huge, thanks for posting, real interesting to our group......jk

Isnt that what everyone does? Make it look HUGE.    LOL     I have a few 6 pounders in my pond ( I believe the NYS record  but who cares  they are out there in the ADK too )   that don't look that large, and I have caught what I believe are 7+ pound Brookies ( both not netted ) in the remotes in the past 5 years that were maybe looking like only 20".  They were Temiscemie Hybrids in the Five Ponds 'area". 
 Its funny how certain strains such as Windfall will be true Football type while others are more elongated.   Good stuff.  

 

On 10/6/2021 at 10:40 AM, jk1 said:

That is a nice fish, size?  weight?  A 21 incher in Quebec years ago was my biggest......jk

I think over 6 pounds, no scale. Doesn't matter though. Back it went.  Got larger fish in my own ponds.  lol  Multi species area. 

On 10/6/2021 at 8:05 AM, Lucky13 said:

Lakes, and multispecies. 

Yup.   Still big brook trout in there. 

On 10/6/2021 at 12:51 PM, Fireredcannon said:

I've done well with brook trout in Indian lake at the mouth of where John Mack pond drains into Indian lake, when the lake is at its highest level we got the boat all the way up to where it turns to rocks. Some nice 16-20" Brook trout.

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Yeah, I would have thought there are large brookies in that area although it is a multi species lake.  They are almost exclusively Temiscemie Hybrids in there too, live quite long and get big.  

15 hours ago, benclark1240 said:

My family and I are planning to go fishing. Any idea about canoe paddle reviews.

Not sure your question here?  Paddles?  as in actual paddle?  or place to go?  Also as of tomorrow, brook trout specific fishing is done til Spring, they are spawning.  

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