Byoung62, you apparently didnt read my posts thoroughly. I expressed several times that I didnt think the charter captains were pricing incorrectly or too steeply. All I said regarding price was in regards to 800-1000 dollars being called dirt cheap. As far as tipping, I stated several times that tipping should be based as a gratuity for good service and not "expected" whether the service was good or not. I have zero problems with tipping and tipping well. My statement was that tips should not be mandatory for the mate to get paid. That is unfair to the mate.
The reason I entered my pay for a day was as an example as why 800-1000 a day cannot be considered dirt cheap. I have far more expense into running my construction business than the items you listed... and yes, I have all the items you listed for boating also (minus the CG cert).
Not once did I say a charter captain should not or could not charge 1000 per trip. I simply replied to a post saying that price could not be considered dirt cheap. If the market allows it, by all means charge it.
I completely agree that the going rate of 350 to 500 for a charter on Lake O is low. Not once have I stated that dollar amount until now. My past posts that stated "not dirt cheap" were in regards to one specific post and the way it was worded. Yes, I completely agree that 500 for a trip on Lake O is inexpensive and well worth it. Heck, if I didnt have my own gear, I would pay that happily.
The only thing I specifically said regarding Lake O charter pricing was that it would be more fair to all involved if the prices included pay for the mate. And I even stated that the prices should go up to cover that. Doing that would ensure that the mate is paid a fair wage even if the clients didnt tip. I have been a mate. Even on trips with very well off clients, lots of fish caught and many laughs amongst crew and clients... some people just dont tip. Luckily I was on a boat that paid me a fair wage regardless if I was tipped or not.
The whole idea that a base price is given (say 500) and then the client finds out the day of the charter that another 200 is "expected" as tip to the mate and captain is not "up front pricing". Lots of people go on their "first ever" fishing charter every year. These people do not know ahead of time about this added expense. Most charter websites I have seen state the following - "tips are appreciated but not mandatory". That leaves people thinking the captain and mate are already receiving a wage. If it says "mate depends on tips as his/her wage", then that is a different story. But very rarely have I seen it stated that way. Lots of times, charters are booked over the phone and there is no discussion about tips.
Wouldnt it just be easier to raise the rate 100 or 200 and state "unlike other charters, we have no hidden fees"? Haha. Eventually everyone would swap over to that system... all mates would be paid regardless of client opinion - and they would receive a tip "in addition" to their pay. Tip: a bonus... a gratuity.
Yes, restaurants have tipping to waitstaff as well... but that system fails in most regards as well. A good majority of restaurants now require wait staff to "pool" their tips at the end of the night and split them. And its not uncommon for a portion of the tips to have to go to the cook, bus boy and host/hostess. How fair is that? One person may bust their butt making sure their tables are well served... another waitperson just skates by with the bare minimum service and yet in the end they get the same split of the tips. Plus their base pay is far lower than the bus boy, cook or host... Too many people "expecting" to get their fingers in those tips. Plain and simple, tips should be a bonus paid directly to the person providing service. I know this is way different than charters... but just providing another example of tips not being a fair form of income.
I would much rather pay a charter a flat rate of 600 (knowing the mate was making a wage) and then tipping an additional 100 or more based solely on service, attitude and overall experience, than to pay 400 and be expected to pay a "tip" of 200 at the end, whether I enjoyed myself or not. Option A cost me 100-200 more, but would leave me with a much better impression.
Not once did I say charter captains were charging too much. Go back and read my posts. If it came across that way, I am sorry. I tried to reiterate several times that this was not what I was saying. My comments that seem to have wound a few of you up were comments made in reply to ONE post and the way it was worded. Take a deep breath... realize I have no negative feelings and meant no ill will... and have a great day.