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695,000 dollars (listed on land and farms) divided by 20 investors is a little over 30000. Thought... some of the vested intrest come together and form their own sportsmen club there. Non profit and monies from member dues and reasonable slip fees and other activities could enhance the whole property. You could have the tournament activities all taken care of. With a good membership population it could do very well and become a lot more than it is, growing the investment for the founders.

Ok....that is what thought did...[emoji28][emoji38]

Redneck Yot Club?.....couldn't help myself...

 

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Great chance for the other marina owners to expand, but with a business draft all laid out in the beforehand like that, kinda blows individual intrest. Property taxes are only 7000 ? Would have guessed higher by almost half again....it's New York!
Even if the shootout has a rule for starting out of other ports, there still is a problem with where are all the extra boats coming into sandy gonna dock, and how you gonna get to the sportsmen club with no vehicle or boat trailer?

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Yup, count the line guide passes. If you got some room, walk out a measured 200 feet. Reel it back up and count the passes. Divide the passes into the 200 feet and you get a pretty accurate average feet per pass of the line guide out to 200 feet. After 200 you will be very close adding passes to get the amount of line out.
Example 200 feet divided by 15 passes equals a little more than 13 feet per guide pass.
You could pull off one pass and measure it, but as the line goes out there is a few feet difference as the spool gets smaller, and the mechanical loss when the line guide switches to the other side of the reel.
But after all you are looking for repeatability and accurate measure is not always a big thing.
Awe crap!
Just count the guide passes...LOL![emoji38]

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 Skipper 19,  thanks for the info. great read! I think I will go for it! 

You'll be okay! Your observation in the use of it will tell you if it is comparable to what you use now. Check your plugs before and after using a few gallons of it. Look for fouling and color of insulator before and after 3 or 4 gallons. Note any extra or less deposits on the ground electrode. Less is always better meaning the oil has additives that work well with the conditions the engine is running in. I also religiously put 1 ounce of Lucas fuel condition in with every 5 gallons of gas in the tank. With that you will notice performance gains and keeps things clean in the fuel system. Let us know how it does!
Mark

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http://www.saltwatersportsman.com/two-stroke-engine-oil-for-fishing-boat
This should help explain the 2 stroke evolution of oils.
Simply having blended synthetic is actually having both synthetic and mineral based oils together and tested for Industry standards to meet TCW3. Obviously having this means you have both oils at once in the reservoir or in your premix. So stating that one oil or the other is never going to be out of the system is rediculous! I can't see a problem that would cause a blowup, but there are some differences in performance and some observations you personally can make to determine if the brand you use is working well in your engine. Routine maintenance things like spark plug analysis or sensor cleaning issues, excessive smoking, etc. In my experience there is more risk in the type of fuel and the air/fuel ratio (for carbs) that someone uses, than the lubricates in the mix. ECM controlled fuel injection is not a problem for air/fuel ratio if all sensors are working correctly but that's another thing.
Anyway there are lots of those bottles of cabela's synthetic blend being sold, many on tournament series. I talked to the marine sales people there about it in Richfield Wisconsin, and they keep having to restock it. It wouldn't be scarce quite often when I look, if it were a bad thing. Cabela's sticks there neck out on it, and it keeps them happily filling the shelves!


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  Well I got the good news , bad news deal today!  I went to Cabela's today to buy their semi-synthetic  oil @ $9.99 a gal. & their mechanic talked me out of it. He said the two oils should not be mixed & that the conventional oil will never be totally out of the system. And the semi may not be compatible with an older engine.  Then I see what you guys ,all good, about oil is only in there a few seconds, & that  if it reads tcw-3 it should be the same I really would have liked to use it. But  now I am totally confused & I don't  want to burn up an $15,000  engine!

Argh!...mechanics!..whatever! I know a lot of those I would not take a Tonka toy to. My caterpillar and KW repairs are prime examples of extreme cases of knowlege from experience, and not so much experience.There are some good ones... great ones, like Hank, and some wanna be shade trees too. Anyway, so far, my experience has not been bad by using the two different oils back and forth in my OX 66 Yamaha.
Of course if you switch back and forth, you will never get all the one or the other oil out of the system..duh!...what's he trying to say is bad about that? Experience with knowing there was a problem? Evidence of the problem with mixing the two? My trust goes down on a lot of the non supported statements strange mechanics make. I'm not a mechanic by trade but have extensive experience in doing exactly what he didn't recommend, and I hammer on my old 2001 V6 as most have seen or ridden with me know. Many hours, and high rpm, never had an issue with the TCW3 oil of either base.
I'm glad you found the oil at less than 10 bucks a gallon! That's a bargain and if I can get there I'm gonna buy a couple cases of it!

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but it does buy horsepower....
I've never seen a sad person in a boat haulin' A$$...!

I probably sgould get a vacuum sealer but my old school habits don't die easily[emoji38]. Although it may not be as economical regarding space in the freezer. If you use ziplocks and fill with water all around the fish and slightly above them in the bag they will last a very long time without freezer burn or oxidation. I have eaten perch saved that way 3 years plus and they tasted just as though they were caught that day.

That works too! I have done that and it works well, like you said Les, it does what it takes to stop freezer air from super freezing the meat. I like the very flat package that the vacuum machine does, and if I brain fart and forget the label, I can see the meat inside and guess at it when I take it out! Somehow I never am sure about steelhead or salmon meat ID, but it's almost no difference to me cooked ...anyway. Cher only cares if there is no bones in it. She gets a bone,...and I'm the bad guy![emoji48][emoji20]...drives me nuts to see her mush a perfect grilled fillet, just to find that bone, and let me know about it! ...oh and ketchup on the side...[emoji104][emoji45]

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but it does buy horsepower....
I've never seen a sad person in a boat haulin' A$$...!

The question I have always had is" how is a wave measured"

 

 

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Lowest level of the trough or valley between waves to the crest or top of the waves surounding the trough is what I have always heard.

Then there is frequency and steepness factored in. Frequency being how soon the waves arrive at a determined point from each successive wave. Steepness is exactly what it suggests, steep, very steep etc. These two in high numbers are more the reason for being more rough (particularly with boats under 27 feet) with 3 footers than a 5 or 6 foot swell that is low frequency and not steep.

 

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Great investment and worth the extra effort over zip locks. The zips are easy to use, but a few months your game or fish degrade considerably. Too much waste if you like to stockpile for off season like I do. Too many very disappointing results and shameful waste of time and money keeping frosted cardboard fillets that need trimming and never taste right.
Foodsavers are a great tool! They're much better now than ever. The last model I have now is very efficient. Not just for food preserved but anything that can degrade from oxidation or moisture. Emergency matches, polished metals storage, coins, jewelry, valuable documents and old photos, etc.
Mine has a canning attachment to preserve vacuum packed meats or other goodies. Wouldn't do without one!

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but it does buy horsepower....
I've never seen a sad person in a boat haulin' A$$...!

Holy crap! Awesome Brian.

Lake Ontario salmon fishing charters

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Money doesn't buy happiness,
but it does buy horsepower....
I've never seen a sad person in a boat haulin' A$$...!

  If I used semi-synthetic & then wanted to or had to go back to regular 2 cycle oil would that be a problem in the engine??  I have also heard once you use synthetic you can't go back to regular oil.

I've had to switch back and forth a few times out of necessity (the cabela's oil got used up, only had some Sierra left)....there was never a problem except the non synthetic was smokey and stunk worse! 2001Yamaha OX66 225hp.
Pap is correct, the oil mostly Flys in and out in seconds. Crankcase always has new clean oil exchanges on every piston stroke. By the time it hits the top of the piston, it has done it's job. Only needs to burn off clean in a complete combustion after that. TCW 3 oils are designed to burn off more complete and lower ash/carbon deposit.
Pap, I think your Merc. dealer wants to scare you into buying 40 dollar a gallon oil specifically refined by Mercury oil industries and exploration...the bottle says it's their oil?[emoji38]

Money doesn't buy happiness,
but it does buy horsepower....
I've never seen a sad person in a boat haulin' A$$...!

Chartering would never do it for me. That's somebody else fishing and you winding up the string.

That's exactly what a charter captain or hard working mate would say....

Money doesn't buy happiness,
but it does buy horsepower....
I've never seen a sad person in a boat haulin' A$$...!

When it comes to fishing on more than 3 footers, size has really no bearing on the capability of the vessel to comfortably troll on Lake Ontario. Weight is the only counter to what lake O can dish out. Some boats are over 30 feet and only 10,000 lbs. A predictable wave set where all the waves are the same and moving one direction is one thing, but the cross chop that can happen some days will make almost any vessel a challenge to handle and uncomfortable, including the frustrations mentioned included in another post, of false releases, and crab walking tackle. Sure, if you can afford a vessel over 30000 lbs. Then you have something that truly would be a steady performer. Your not gonna trailer that, and the cost of mooring /storing, and .5mpg fuel consumption, is not worth 15 or 20 days on the water.
Then there are the bluebird days that you wonder why you have such a heavy boat. You will wish you had the Ranger. So in the end if it were me, and a 4 hour drive, and you want a second boat anyway, go with a large Lake O dedicated, outboard powered, 102 inch fiberglass hull. Have a nice aluminum trailer like ameritrail makes, with real tires, and brakes to do the transport. Your F 350 will pull any boat that is outboard powered. Single wheel is fine, the truck is not carrying the weight, it will be towing it, so that's the reason you need a quality trailer with E load range, 16 inch tires and axle brakes.
Many boats of any style are 6000 to 12000 lbs, and are road legal for towing. There are many boats in auction that need some TLC and a little repair if your handy and don't mind a challenge you can pick them up for peanuts. There's a good example of a heavy outboard boat on an auction site right now that is in need of fiberglass work on the hull and rubrail from a collision. If I had the time it would be mine, and I'd find a good trailer for it. It's a early 2001 Fountain center console forward cuddy that is 34 feet and powered by twin 300 mercs. Nice trailerable, big footprint, and fast in rough water.
Still, when you are going 2.5 mph in over 3 footers, it's gonna rock and roll cause it's only about 8000 lbs not 30,000. You will have room for friends though, and you can keep it at home for the maintenance you can do to keep it in top condition. Leaving it 4 hours away will mean more of your time on vacation working on it, or having someone do it for you at a cost.
You have the truck, and it's diesel, I would use it to the max!
Capt. Carl has the right track, and he also has a very nice center console he rescued, and put elbow grease on her and a new pair of outboards to make it reliable. Some old boats just need a little love to make them cool!


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but it does buy horsepower....
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I had to have some custom lures made up. They will work well for me for walleye. I got 14-17 divers and 20-25 divers.

Capt. Michael Weaver. Pure Fishing Ambassador

I see a Martian face in there!

Money doesn't buy happiness,
but it does buy horsepower....
I've never seen a sad person in a boat haulin' A$$...!

Nice pics Kooter! Good job by everyone. Maybe I can be there for delivery. Riding south today in Monteagle Tn...would have liked to been there!

MONEY DOESN'T BUY HAPPINESS, BUT IT DOES BUY HORSEPOWER. I'VE NEVER SEEN A SAD PERSON IN A BOAT HAULIN A$$!

I have no problem with a raise in price for Harveys weights. Better quality than others that cost nearly twice as much! Great product and fast shipping! Metal prices fluctuate and just as I am in business with trucking, fuel goes up, rates go up. I still have a profit margin to maintain, or there would be a hardship and no reason to do it anymore.
I wouldn't want to see quality products from Harvey disappear, or cause hardship to continue his great products.
Nothing in this world ever seems to continue on an even keel. I'm sure his competition is experiencing the same rise in costs. The equation still falls on our benefit to help Harvey!
Keep on molding those weights Harvey!
Mark


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A couple of drawings of what is a typical trolling pattern for me. Not just the only pattern and some involve more than 2 dipsy on a calmer day, if I have enough bodies on board and want to find a specific bait or pattern that is working. When that pattern manifests in a good response from the fish, I will trim down to 4 to 6 lines maximum, and target that preference from the fish. Less is more, in terms of fun, relaxation, and fish, usually so, I tend to use the productive parts of the spread and pull the others for simplicity.


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Well not to be side ways about stuff, don't know why we are laying on our side!

 

Welcome to the outrigger! This is a photo of my 15 foot Taco aluminum ones mounted to the T top. This photo is somewhat out of proportion due to the panorama photo, but give some idea of angle and height above the water surface the way I like to run my coppers.

The T top sits about 8 feet above the water surface, and the angle I like is about 11 feet at the tips above the water surface vertical. The sweep angle is back to approximately stern even, so a little back from mounting position which would be 90 degrees in that case. I would say the poles are about 20 degrees back from the mounts so about 70 degrees from directly out to the side.

The position allows me to run coppers high above the surface and the first entry point into the water is roughly 30 to 40 feet behind the position of the boat while trolling. This opens up the back of the boat for easy deployment of riggers and dipsey without fear of tangling. When running a dipsy on them I will generally lower the poles and angle back a little less, but keep the tips out of the water. I only use braid on the dipsey off the outriggers release. You can use wire off them if you have good quality roller releases to help protect the wire, but I have had no real luck with the AFTCO as yet. One wore the wire on copper in two, another broke, and lost the roller on a dipsey wire, so I can't say that they are strong enough for dipsey. Blacks is what I use exclusively now until I find a roller that is built to take the strain of the regular dipsey with ring.

What Les said is true of the strength of the poles and mounts with a dipsey. There is a real considerable torque on everything so be aware of the capacities of all hardware and tackle used on the outriggers rigging.

As far as using boards with outriggers, I wouldn't recommend it. I chose to use one or the other depending on conditions and what I'm intending to deploy, long lines dipsy, or in case of tight quarters of traffic. Maneuvers are more easily accomplished with the outriggers since less things, planners, are in the water to keep all in a row.

Les said as long as you have them already, that's a great tool, and he is correct. They are expensive, and I believe in my case I would not have used outriggers had they not been part of the package on my particular vessel. I was comfortable with big boards, but find the riggers are being used 95 percent of the time just for the convenience and less setup time.

 

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Intresting photos! Kind of like the reservoirs in the Catskill Mountains where I'm originally from. The city bought huge tracts of land in the mountains and created municipal water reservoirs where there once was roads and towns. Now all under water. There is some great trout fishing in those reservoirs but you need special permits and if you have a boat it had to stay there on shore. No gas motors either. The city has their own police stations there and vigorous patrol is always present. How are your kings doing lately, did the low levels hurt them at all? Since they are landlocked do they have any natural reproduction?

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Holy jeepers Stan! You mean the Mexican border was once way up there! Now you got salmon fishing! Now see Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas could have salmon too!
How long ago were those photos taken? Is that lake actually reservoir for city or agricultural use? Thanks Stan!

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All seven were shot in Lyndonville yesterday. Five in one block.




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Good shooting guys! Glad you found them, I been hearing them for a while over here on Swett Road. Saw some of you around the Townline/Swett block. That's where they been yakking alot!

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With five good 12 ga rounds last year I could have eliminated at least 50 of the flying sh!t houses. Packed in the trees like sardines. Crapped all over me and the boat from the trees just waiting for my son to come back from the launch parking. Whole area smelled like a bad chicken farm in 100 degrees.
What is the need to federally protect such a nasty bird? Aren't they some kind of food value in China?
They are way out of hand!


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I run my downrigger rods with 300 ft main 30lb Ande clear mono on top of 30 lb braid backing. Smaller reels. Just enough Ande to reach the ball for the purpose of sea flea repellant. leader is 30lb Seguar blue label or Gamma flourocarbon about 8 to 12 feet for salmon. I would run lighter for early season 12 to 15 lb flouro 20 feet mostly for trout and probably would stick to the same for salmon, but I often have some over anxious buds on board and would likely break 12 lb off, loose the fish and the 25 dollars tackle!
About the sea fleas. If you do any fishing after end of June, you will encounter these Sobs and some days be very frustrated with them. There are special specific lines made to reduce the trouble of them attaching to your line. Blood run has some and there is Cortland flea flicker out there. I have found that they work well but also are harder to control knot quality.
30lb mono will keep most of it at bay unless the worst days for infestation occur, then 40lb might work better. Some days nothing works and they even get on your downrigger cables.
During the flea season, you cannot use braid lines of any kind for dipsey or vertical sections to the ball on rigger rods. A few minutes of them in the water and they become useless during the worst outbreaks of fleas. I will recommend only one braid line for dipsey rods during fleas, but it is marginal in bad infestations. That is Fireline Fused Original 30 lb. It is about the same to a little better as 30lb malin wire as far as collection of fleas, but will not go quite as deep as wire.
You can run 30 lb mono full spool on your downrigger rods. I just like to use smaller reels, and use the braid for backing to have more running line.

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The alternative will be a ban on defecation, I think you can guess how that will work!  

Awesome! No sh!t !!! Such an inconvenience anyway...

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So is there really no reason to use a stacker release to fish multiple depths off 1 downrigger? Just use a slider with snap swivel to connect to main line and a small offshore tackle clip to keep the slider at a set depth?

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Mike, the reason to use a fixed stacker on a downrigger cable is for #1...having more than just yourself on board and you can put more rods/lines in the spread than three.
#2...you want to use an "SWR" style of rig, refered to here as a Secret Weapon Rig style of presentation. My preference as a stacker, is to call it a "tailgunner". The SWR is similar only it involves directly attaching a main line copper or lead core to the ball and running the ball higher in the water column out of the detection of fish in a desired temperature zone. The lure on the heavy wire then follows up later in the desired temperature zone deeper, and a fish will not be spooked by a ball and only see the lure quietly passing by. In the same context, the tailgunner does the same except it relies on active fish that are not ball shy and offers the second chance hookup on the second rod stacked 20 feet above the ball for a 100 foot copper.
Other than that, there is no real advantage of stacking on a downrigger over the use of a fixed slider, in my opinion. The fixed slider will effectively give you 2 lures per rod, per person, vs. 1 lure per rod as in stacked.
The disadvantage of a slider is not having an accurate depth control and the possibility of a swivel breaking on a fish wrenching the swivel against the terminal of the main lure, or the poor hook up from the belly of the main line as in the free slider version. The fixed slider is a little better in the hookup respect as well as more accurate depth control. I like to pin my fixed slider on the rigger cable about 8 to 10 feet above the main line on the ball. Known here as a "Mupp Rig". Very good presentation I might add. It involves 2 lures of the same design and action, the pinned cheater lure is bigger and slightly more flashy. The lower lure on the main line is the target smaller lure.
In the end a stacker will only be of most value when you have enough bodies on board to use more rods. But even still in my opinion it is better to be wider and longer to get separation of baits and use dipsey or torpedoes, and heavy wires to achieve that, rather than stack into a narrow trolling pattern on the downriggers.


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