dmd113

1 hour ago, GlassWater Outdoors said:

Dmd Like I said it is nothing personal at all. I don't fish anywhere near that end of the lake , I have never met him nor do I care to. I am an avid duck hunter as well as a waterfowl guide. I do absolutely everything by the book and I would expect my peers to do the same. 

Like I stated, I never met the guy. I have watched some of his  you tube videos, but I have also watched dozens of videos put on by various other charter captains & posted Tournament videos. I'm all for punishing anyone who is caught breaking laws. As an individual I respect those who deserve it! I have seen many practices & behaviors on the water I don't agree with. I don't come on an open forum to publicize this to"hurt his business" or "cost them sponsors". To attack someone on an open forum only gives more ammo to the anti outdoor lobbyists. I don't make a dime off fishing or hunting  but spend 1000's on boat upkeep,fishing/hunting gear & supplies. I'm smart enough to make my own decisions & do my own research when choosing or recommending an outfitter. So I only recommend or give my opinions on products & people I have personally dealt with. I would bet a finger some of the people who have attacked this guy, have in some way at sometime bent the rules or done something questionable according to the law. JMO

DQ'd for cheating & can no longer participate! Don't matter. The bashing hasn't been limited to his offense. It clearly is personal to a few who fish that end of the lake. But I know karma has a habit of biting one in the backside. So have at it.

Not circular logic. 1) He broke the law? 2) He was arrested or ticketed. 3) He was punished. The outrage is that he was a licensed & trusted member of the outdoor community? If this is the case,why has no one started a campaign on LOU to run down Charter Captains who were DQ'd from tournaments?  I see that posters didn't care for the guy before this happened. If this was someone that they liked the cry might not be as loud. JMO

5 hours ago, fishmaster13184 said:

When that person is a business that breaks all the laws for profit I'd say yes, it's not personal, it's an attack on a poorly run business that poaches for profit. Everyone screws up in life and pays for it but when you're a guide and charter captain and you get caught poaching for profit you should expect everything you have coming 

If you read comments made by the posters mocking videos & outdoor shows done by this company, you would see that there is was no "love" for these guys prior to the offense!  You are correct. Everyone screws up once in life. He will take whatever punishment that is handed out. No one has addressed my original question about skippers. I know they are undersized & must go back even if dead. But for a charter to continue to troll through them , killing multiple undersized fish,to pick up an occasional keeper to put in the "cooler" Is this not done for $?  The answer will be "It's not illegal " Great we use the laws on the books! Then we should also abide by the penalties imposed on the people who break those laws!

1 hour ago, Chas0218 said:

I think that is what we are all arguing but dmd isn't understanding. He doesn't think it is right we slander his name but he already did that himself by committing the acts.

 

This isn't a political issue or something that is opinion based, there shouldn't be any defending a guy that blatantly broke the law for PROFIT. A DWI or similar charges have nothing to do with an outdoor site so why would you post that on here that doesn't make any sense. We are discussing a person (using that term loosely) that took people hunting and fishing that portrayed himself as a professional but really a shyster looking to take peoples money.

So it matters what kind of criminal act is committed? It's convenient & dangerous to use your own personal biases to decide an offenders punishment. My point still is that the law should handle it. YOU fail to understand that using this mind set We should encourage LOU members to show up at your workplace with signs urging the employer to fire any member who is arrested. If you want tougher laws, take steps to make sure it happens. It's far too easy to sit behind a computer & call for blood.JMO

1 minute ago, bandrus1 said:

You are way way off base here.... and if read above is correct 8 fishing boats to his name x$2400 a weekend if all double booked then yea that's a weekend

Weren't you the guy who recommended a guy not become a charter Capt on this site because there was no $ in it? I don't agree with your math & attempt to count charter fees as all profit!We all know that they don't get rich on charters & $15000 isn't weekends picking up trash along the highway. This in addition to all legal fees & lost business!This isn't a death sentence but I believe this is a sizable penalty.

1 hour ago, fishmaster13184 said:

He's supposed to be a professional and set examples to his clients that come to him to learn the tricks of the trade. He deserves everything he gets

So answer the question! Is any member subject to the wrath of LOU members or just the ones you pick? I gotta figure rallying the troops to attack sponsorship may have repercussions! I don't think the site should be put in that situation. If you want to run a Facebook campaign go for it! JMO

Updates on State Launch closing?

49 minutes ago, GlassWater Outdoors said:

The scum bag advertises on his web site that he is an "ambassador" of waterfowling.  I live in a state that allows baiting for deer .  I don't do it not will I put a client in a stand that has been baited for deer. 25 acre food plots are not the same as  a trough full of corn in the middle of a water hole for ducks. The guy is a hack. His stupid you tube shows are geared towards weekend warriors and contain hours of editing to make it look like he is the lakes  best fisherman. He goes to the west end for spring kings where Stevie Wonder can go and box out in an hour and then bull****s that he is outside of Henderson. The landscape in the background doesn't lie. Him and his band of idiots in his "fleet" make a living off people that know no better. I am even more upset by the harvesting of illegal birds. The guy is an a#$ and there should be no excuses made. It is my hope that when he appears in federal court that he sees jail time.

You are missing my point! At the beginning of my post I clearly stated what he did was wrong! I don't condone what he did. If I read correctly it will cost him $15000 total  $5000 fine+ $10000 donation to waterfowl charity & 2 years no waterfowl hunting. While still facing possible further court actions. Not the death penalty but  $15000 isn't weekends doing public service. LOU isn't about airing "grievances" or personal attacks! But I will ask you the same question.Do you feel any member should be fair game? DWI, domestic violence dispute.. etc ?  Wife beater vs poacher? Who's worse? Because this also sounds personal!

31 minutes ago, chinook35 said:

Saiff absolutely deserves the wrath of this site and every law abiding sportsman in the US. He has betrayed his honor and deserves any and all discipline that the federal and state courts deem appropriate. We , as sportspeople , need to send a message that this is unacceptable behavior. Boycott his sponsors and his business


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Then you feel any member should be fair game? DWI, domestic dispute?  Because this sounds personal!

5 hours ago, Chas0218 said:

Yes and No. Creel limit is that now I don't throw the fish back unless they are undersized. Whether they live or not it is Illegal to keep undersized fish. Rules are rules and bending them is the same as breaking them. I'm sorry sitting on the edge of a food plot is completely different than dumping a pile of corn in front of your deer stand/blind. The timing of the year contributes to the food plot and whether deer will want to visit based on the forage. I think he should be held accountable just as much as anyone else. No one should get off easy pulling that kind of crap.

Chas0218 I get what you're saying but  HARVESTING ALL BUT THE TEN ROWS OF CORN IN FRONT OF YOUR STAND IS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME THING AT LONGER RANGE! HUNTING GEESE WHERE BEATERS CHASE & FLUSH THE FLOCK AFTER THEY HAVE LANDED IN FOOD PLOTS, TO FLY OVER SHOOTING PITS? I'm talking about the entire LOU membership. Do they all follow the law to the letter? I think not.  MY TAKE IS THE LAW HANDLES IT! SHOULD WE POST OTHER MEMBERS DWI'S OR ANY OTHER CRIMINAL ACTS ON HERE? No we shouldn't & that's not what the site is here for. JMO

First I know what he did is illegal & wrong. Second, I have never met the man & have nothing to gain or lose here. I have watched videos on YouTube. I know I'm going to tick some guys off here but there are several different practices that I think are done regularly by guides & members that are questionable at best. Does anyone think, throwing back skippers & other fish that have been dragged or mortally injured during the fight, that we know are dead or going to die , to avoid use in creel count, is OK? We all know it happens regularly as Captains & weekend warriors run through skippers mixed with juveniles to get clients & themselves fish for the "cooler"! Does keeping fish that are hooked outside of the mouth when they swiped at a bait & missed OK as well? How about the guys that regularly sell their catch? OK TOO? Does planting acres of corn,soy beans, clover,turnips & setting blind or shooting house at the edge of these fields really anything other than hunting over a large bait pile? This guy cut corners & cheated for $! But it happens to some extend daily by some of your friends & colleagues every day! His actions are public knowledge & still has pending actions & consequences  in court. So while I don't condone his actions, I don't think this guy deserves the wrath of this site either! JMO

Yes Olcott did the "extensive work needed" by stacking palettes & covering them with plywood! So realistically they could be opened in the same time it takes them to cut the grass!

4 hours ago, tyell1 said:

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Waiting for my prorated refund for my Empire pass!

is launch open yet?

Fish more? How am I going to do that if I can't make it to the launch?

I WONDER HOW BIG A REFUND WE WILL BE GETTING ON OUR EMPIRE PASSES? SHOULD I TACK ON FEES & PENALTIES FOR THE STATE NOT OFFERING SERVICES PAID FOR?

????? ALL THEY HAD TO DO IS CLEAR DEBRIS! NYS AT ITS FINEST

The state launch side was open the last two weekends.  You will need hip boots to get to the floating docks!

is the gate locked? we fished last 2 weekends & launched there! you need hip boots to get to the floating docks but its doable!

GOOD LUCK CAPT!

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