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Can you provide some details on the boat?  Year, power, trailer year, fishfinder type?

Do these catch salmon?

It is an easy job to do this yourself and you can customize it for your needs.  I'm redoing a 1995 22 Islander hardtop currently and it will be the cats ass when it is done. 

I bet those welds fatigue again.  Similar to old welded Crestliners, they will fail due to cyclic impact.  Unless you buy a heavy duty welded boat like a Kingfisher, Duckworth, or North River, the thin gauge aluminum will fail.  That is why rivets are easier to repair than welds.

Sorry about your luck.

Thanks for the replies.  I agree about the boat owner comments as well but if you don't know the previous owner, all you can go with is the survey. 

What about hours of use?  Is a rebuild required on a BW transmission after 1300 hours or are regular PM's good enough?  Motors are cheap so I'm not concerned with that.

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It depends if the guys did 90 trips a year or 10. I do Charters too, but I also have a full time job and don't use my boat anymore than I would if I didn't do Charters.

90 or more.  Any concerns with power and drive?  Is a transmission another concern?

Just throwing this question out to the group who have had experience in larger fiberglass boats or charter experience.  Would you buy an ex charter boat that was used for 5 years exclusively as a charter boat?  Fresh water use only.  Other than stating the obvious (get a survey done, how many hours, proof of maintenance records), what is your opinion on this.  Is it worth it because the price is right or are you setting yourself up for excessive future costs due to the hours put on these boats.

It has been stated that 5 years of charter use = lifetime use of a privately owned boat.  Fixes on charter boats (not all) are often hurried or not the best to keep the boat on the water as much as possible. 

Which styles would you stay away from with regards to power.  Stay away from I/O's, screw drives, certain motor manufacturers?

I have some new in box Great Lakes Green plugs which can always be painted.  I will go through what I have and post later today.  These are the original Lymans with painted eyes and not stickers like the new ones.

Can you email pictures if I PM you my email address?

For salmon that weren't present in those 5 years its probably a year class that was just so happened to be spawned in that creek at the time water levels were good and when they came back as spawning adults the water level was up and they found their way home. That really how I can make sense of that question.

 

Science its a very weird topic!

No salmon in this ditch for 5 years is a year class?  Since when as most returning fish are 2 or 3 yr olds.

Long or short shaft?

And no one can prove to me that their isn't a chance for other life outside of Earth.

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Best response yet. 

Better consult wiki to see what is in there about life outside of earth. 

People do realize that anyone can put stuff into wiki, including my 8 year old daughter.  Once they referenced a guy had deceased yet he was very much still alive.  Wiki - the place where you obtain 100% verifiable info (for people under the age of 30).

I leave mine in just to have one less ingress point for mice.  I really don't think it makes any difference because how is any airflow going to get way up into the front of the boat where one would think more condensation is taking place due to the airspace between the outside and the floor of the boat (cuddy)?

I love it when people reference wiki. 

I know of a ditch that doesn't get any runs typically because the levels are SSSOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO low.  It is located within a few miles of a major trib that gets a large run.  When the planets align and we get enough rain, some fish run that ditch and they may attempt to spawn but most die before they are ready to do their thing because of water temps and lack of oxygenated water. 

Please tell me how those fish returned back to that ditch if there were no fish present for upwards of 5 years?  Maybe I will reference wiki.

The guy went out kayaking Thursday around 8am and was found in the water on Saturday after 9am.  Needless to say, it doesn't matter if it was late October or late Sept, nobody is going to survive hypothermia in water below 60F for even a few hours as shown below;

Water Temperature (Fahrenheit) Exhaustion or Unconsciousness Expected Time of Survival

32.5 degrees                                         Under 15 minutes               Under 15 to 45 minutes

32.5 to 40 degrees                                15 to 30 minutes                 30 to 90 minutes

40 to 50 degrees                                   30 to 60 minutes                 1 to 3 hours

50 to 60 degrees                                   1 to 2 hours                         1 to 6 hours

60 to 70 degrees                                   2 to 7 hours                         2 to 4 hours

70 to 80 degrees                                   2 to 12 hours                       3 hours to indefinite

Over 80 degrees                                    Indefinite                             Indefinite

I will help out with the pens.  I'm 45-34-35 if that means anything.

Can't go wrong with a Starcraft.  Best deal out there dollar for dollar.  I can say that as I've owned or been in possession of the major aluminum manufacturers (including 4 Lunds).

Maybe we got your fish.  As stated before, runs on the NE shores were quite good this year.  Lots of kings made it up to spawn naturally without human interaction since the season closed shortly after the major runs. 

I too want science to provide a response first before we stock more.  There is a meeting scheduled on Oct 25th with the MNR department head and workers to ask questions on what happened this year on the NW end of the lake. 

They did lower the limits from 5 fish to 2 a couple years ago for a full license.  For a conversation license it is 1 for each.  The combo of trout/salmon is 5 max of which only 2 can be bows for full license.

North shore bow limits in the lake and river is 2 for possession.  Possession is the key.  As everyone knows, that includes what is in the freezer at home however our friends from our neighbouring province don't understand that.  Each year they target bows throughout each day and they keep pretty well everything that makes it to the boat.  They bring their own freezers and load them up and then take them all home.  Very hard to prove this as they state the fish are "clients" fish and they are just holding for them.

This was an odd season for sure and nothing like I have experienced 20 - 30 years ago as we would do well anywhere on the lake but out west it was nuts with the amount of fish in the Credit.  I haven't been at the Credit for close to 20 years now but even 20 years ago it was not as good as it was 30 years ago.  I did fine though this year.....no skunks and good numbers of fish on most trips.  No coho this year for me which was very odd when I was out in the blue zone.

I hope you guys convince the DEC to take a hard look at what is going on.  Without DEC support or guidance, the OMNR will do absolutely nothing.  They will dump fish wherever as it is a checkmark for them.  When MEA looked after the hatchery and stocking for a 6 year period a few years ago (OMNR took responsibility back 2 years ago I believe), they did things that made sense.  Stocking at night, stocking with correct water temps, raising smolts to a good size prior to stocking, pen projects, etc.  They did this because they all had a vested interest in this and lots of us guys who loved fishing kings all took our personal time to volunteer with egg collections, pen duties, hatchery duties, and stocking.  Not sure what the commitment level is now since it has been taken away from anglers who care.  I'm sure some do care, but some may not care so much.

Steelhead get dragged behind a boat that doesn't stop and with the oxygen levels in the waters they are in, they are more susceptible to dying.  That is why there are so many floaters in the blue zone.  Guys don't want to take the time to revive them, just catch them.

King Davy, I have fished the Ganaraska since the late 1970's and as stated, the levels are way down but they were never at 25K.  I believe 1982 was the highest peak recorded run which was just over 18K.  Still, runs have improved over the past few years where they are approaching 8 - 10K again so there has been a resurgence. 

Getting back to kings, north shore tribs out our way are loaded and with the late runs, it has been good because they close the majority of the tribs after Sept 30 which gives these fish the best chance as compared to typical years when the runs start in mid Aug.  Strange year, but the runs out my way are fine however that is not the case out west or on the south shore.  I say wait another year before people can start crying chicken little.

I have a 19 sea nymph with a 75hp on it tht will do 40 mh with 4 guys in it

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On the highway behind a truck.  Enough BS already.

Agreed - the 3M restorer/was is the best that I've used and I actually do this on the side for some extra coin.  The junk stuff from Bass Pro and Meguiars is best suited for children's toys.  I've tried some of the other stuff like Collenite's Fleetwax and West Marine products but the 3M stuff is the best.  Always use a machine polisher for the process as well.

35MPH, Yes I fished with 5 in spring on Lake O. No Problem

Interesting.  I had a StarCraft 196 Fishmaster with a 115hp on it and it would top out at 32mph on GPS and a 1800 Pro V with a 90hp Honda that would only go 38mph.  And those speeds were solo speeds, not a boat full of gear and anglers.