temple fork outfiters makes a phenominal rod for the money! id put mine up against any rod any day... my other favorite is my diamondback.. made right here in vt.. i LOVE that rod.. unfortunitely i think you guys may be being a lil hard on good old orvis lol.. il admit that they are over priced but some of there gear is decent.. i dont own any lol, but my dad does..oh wait, shoot, my dad is an idiot when it comes to fishing, oookkkk wait, my brother has a ton of orvis stuff... ahhhh well that doesnt help either, hes an idot too..well everyone ive ever guided used orvis everything, but ahhhh dammmit, they all needed a guide so they couldnt be that expierianced either lol.. ok, orvis sucks. but here in vt we pick on ll bean people, we call them beaners....