thanks for the info guys went out today from 1 to 4 trolled south to from taughcannock with no hits then on the way back up my buddy got a nice 26 in lake trout and that was it for us... try something alittle diffrent to day had a 2 ounce weight on a 3 way swivel to get my lure down a little farther and thats what picked up the one and only fish of the day.. Cigs 187 that cliff is were we caught the laker today and the salmon last trip i think maybe we should start trolling further south seeing thats where the only two fish that weve caught have been and we usually turn around by there.. I went and looked today at gander for them planer board i seen them for 30 dollars but hering u say u were trolling with mini ones i might hace to look into those.