muskiedreams

On 6/23/2017 at 2:34 PM, muskiedreams said:

Here is a quote from someone on another forum that was just posted. He was just out on the Niagara R the night of 6/21 - 6/22.

 

Before hanging up with the can pass people I asked the woman if I had to report in anymore. I was told that until the new rule is actually put onto the books calling in is still expected.  She said it will probably be around two weeks before we can discontinue.

On the same post, I read someone else chime in and said it is already law and the officials on the water already know it is now law. I wonder if everyone is on the same page.

15 hours ago, black cloud said:

Boated two tigers early this morning one 31 and the other mid 20's. Got both of them while it was heavy over cast. Once the blue skies came. That was it. This one was my brothers biggest one he has caught so far.

Is this photoshoped? I see an extra foot, another shoulder and arm and what looks like part of someone's head hiding back there.

Main Line

Heavy mono is tough to cast and will not allow you to get your lures very deep because of the resistance due to diameter and it floats which also hinders ability to get lure depth. Also, the more line you have out, the more belly there will be in the line which will add to the give of the inherent line stretch to reduce your hook setting power. Pike and musky have a bony mouth so you need all the hook setting power you can get. Braid has very little stretch and due to the smaller diameter per lb test, there will be less belly in the line so you will have much greater hook setting power. So the best choice for your main line is braid. If you do decide to use mono for your main line for pike, it would be best to not go too heavy and use a leader. This may depend on what lures and depth you are fishing.

Leader

Fluorocarbon or steel is debatable. One argument is that you will get bite-offs with fluorocarbon. It is definitely not as cut and abrasion resistant as steel, so if you use it you need to check for damage often and especially after a fish or contact with structure. Any damage from contact with structure will weaken the line so it can break easier. So if you are fishing in a way where you are often contacting structure, you might be better off using steel. I like to use single strand steel. You can do a haywire twist to terminate it. Stranded wire can become frayed and crimps used to terminate it can fail. So if you use it, you need to periodically inspect it for damage. If you use single strand wire, it should be replaced if you get a tight kink.

Pike and musky are not as line shy as many other kinds of fish. So, often, steel does not cause them to shy away but under some conditions it can be a factor. Using non-coated stranded wire will be less visible than coated. Using single stranded steel will be less visible than both, it is less sensitive to abrasion and being able to terminate it with a haywire twist is more secure. Under some conditions fluorocarbon may be needed to minimize visibility. I haven't used it much because I don't want to take a chance on killing a musky by leaving a lure in its mouth. So some anglers here can give more advice about it in terms of what lb test, what brands (not all are equal), and how to terminate it.

Here is a quote from someone on another forum that was just posted. He was just out on the Niagara R the night of 6/21 - 6/22.

Before hanging up with the can pass people I asked the woman if I had to report in anymore. I was told that until the new rule is actually put onto the books calling in is still expected.  She said it will probably be around two weeks before we can discontinue.

From a PC or laptop, you can drag files (or pictures) to where the paper clip is for attachments or you can click "choose files" and then choose your picture(s) from your files, then click on open. If you want to put it in the post, click on the + sign on the picture in the uploaded images.

From what I saw on Lake Erie United, The first place team who also won the Big Fish pool had a 48.5", 43" and 40" fish. I think they may have all been casting fish. Does anyone know?

Zach or solgrande, do you have info on what 2nd and 3rd teams caught?

Now he knows why it is worth going for hours or days without a rip.

How about living in a house that straddles the border. Would you have to check in with customs before you go to bed or do the three S's.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-us-canada-border-house-20170610-story.html

I just remembered and added one more item to the rules that was previously decided on.

Under "General Regulations and Responsibilities", added under item c), ii) There is a limit of 6 rods per boat (team) but no limit of team members on the boat.

I have just posted the revised tournament rules for the team format on the Chapter 69 website for those of you who would like to read them ahead of time or download them. This is revised a little over the rules that will be handed out just to clarify a few things.

1) added "Teams Format" to heading.

2) Under "General Regulations and Responsibilities" in item c) "A team consists of all contestants aboard a participating boat" was added.

3) And also, for big fish pool the following was added:

Under "Prizes, Scoring and Measurement of the Release", item  "f) If there is a big fish pool, all team members on a boat must be in it to participate" was added.

Here is a link to the rules.

Also, just to be sure everyone is aware, winners for the Chautauqua Tournament will be determined using the three longest fish caught by each team.

29 minutes ago, prayingmantis said:

This is the Rapala duo lock snap. IMO it is weaker than the twin lock but is  balanced and rounded nice to allow for more natural action for small crankbaits (bass and smaller). The twin lock is stronger and less susceptible to opening by accident but not balanced and rounded as nice as the duo lock. The stay lock is best for strength and staying locked and with musky baits, will not affect action. Although they are a little cumbersome to open and close. And of course these are all better than the ones with the piece of sheet (spell it how you like) metal.

 

The can't open accidentally (stay lock) and they are strong.

Zach, Someone who is planning on fishing the south basin was asking if there was any other registration options. Is Mike Sperry going to be doing sign up or are you planning on doing sign up at his store on Fri night? Or is anyone else doing sign up at another launch location? If so, What hours?

Also Jim and I may be there but we haven't decided for sure and/or what days yet.

Must be a pocket post

I just got my Waneta and Lamoka Lakes angler diary and results from 2016 back from Region 8 DEC. I want to thank those of you who participated in the angler diary study last year and for that matter, all who have participated in angler diary studies across the state. We all need to do what we can to help keep our NY fisheries healthy. The information is valuable to the DEC biologists in many ways. The diary study is easy to do and the feedback you will get on the results is reward enough for the little bit of time it takes to fill out the diary.

For those of you who fish Waneta and Lamoka and have not yet participated, I urge you to do so, even if you only fish there one or two days of the year. See below for info to order a diary. The more data there is in the study, the better. The program is in danger of being terminated if participation doesn't increase. The diaries also support the Region 8 case for continuing stocking in Waneta.

Also, since the trap net survey the DEC conducted this May that included Lamoka Lake, did not turn up any muskies in Lamoka Lake, any documented proof of muskies there will help with their current evaluation in consideration of a possible new stocking program in Lamoka.

The preliminary trap netting results for Waneta Lake was good. And even though the diary study only returned 6 angler results, the catch rates and size results were better than the previous two years of the program.

TO ORDER A DIARY FOR WANETA and LAMOKA LAKES, CONESUS LAKE or OTHER REGION 8 WATERS WITH DIARY STUDIES CALL 585-226-2466

Please consider joining the Diary Club. I know there are a lot more of you who fish these waters.

Good luck this weekend and this year and, of course, please handle your muskies carefully.

THANKS

2 hours ago, bassandbucks said:

FYI. Remember the legal size limit for tigers on Otisco is 36", not 30".It's been that way since 2014.

Yes the state limit is 36" to keep a fish. The tournament is "catch and release" and for that, the minimum to enter in the points system is 30" which is worth 4 points. For every inch above that, another point is added (33" is 7 pts. and 35" is 9 pts. and so on). Since they are being released, fish under 36" (down to 30") are accepted and it is legal because they are released. If we used the legal size limit, the likelihood of no fish entered would be high. The same could be true at the Chautauqua tournament. Since the legal size for purebred muskies is 40", it is possible that there would be no, or very few, fish large enough to enter if we used the 40" state limit for the minimum size to enter. These size limits for the tournaments are for the purpose of the "catch and release only" tournament and not to be confused with the state size limit for harvest.

We understand that there is some confusion, especially in regard to Otisco Lake, since the size limit there is higher than other tiger musky waters in the state. There are exceptions for some waters that have both tigers and purebred muskies so you should check those regions for exceptions.

We are currently working on trying to get signs installed in key locations on Otisco lake to inform anglers of the special size regulation as well as proper release practices.

Hopefully, we will not have any heavy widespread regional rains for the next few weeks.

7 hours ago, jigstick said:

can't they "turn off" niagara falls to stop the inflow?

No they can't. There is no dam above the falls. There is a dam on the US side of the river that diverts water through the power generating station and around the falls. So they can only divert water around the falls. You can take a boat from Lake Erie down the river to where the power plant is. The Welland River, slightly further down on the Canadian side, is about as far as boats are allowed. Past there it becomes rapids and rocks. You don't want to lose motor power there. 

Zach. I sent you a PM.

Zach. I sent you a PM.

The rules have been revised from what is on the website with the change to teams rather than individual. The entry fee hasn't changed which is still $25 each for members and $35 for non-members. the same points system will be used.

The changes are:

*No limit of anglers on boat but all have to be entered.

*Limit of 6 lines (baits) in the water per boat. Separate lines used only to tether boards or dipsy divers don't count.

*Points of all fish caught by all team members are added together.

*There will be an optional, winner take all, big fish pool which is $5 each to enter. All team members on the boat must be entered to qualify.

Teams rules are for boats. If you are a shore angler, check with tournament director, Zach.

Also, check with Zach about any special rules or exceptions regarding children.

Seems like that statement from "whomever" on Facebook is flawed. Lake St. Lawrence level would increase, not decrease.The Massina Dam is above where the Ottowa River, which is raging, empties into the St. Lawrence R. Montreal is downstream from the Ottowa River. Lake St. Lawrence is downstream from Montreal. If they were to increase flow from the Massina Dam, Montreal will be flooded worse and Lake St Lawrence water level would increase drastically causing or increasing flooding there. Unfortunately, no matter how you look at it, there is a limit to how fast the lake can be lowered through the St. Lawrence R. AND mother nature is the only place you can put any blame.

I don't think the amount of rain we had could have been predicted. And even if it could have been, letting out extra water ahead of time may not have been enough either.

Some of them are oblivious. Sometimes they even wave. Sometimes I wave back but most of my fingers are not visible (and it isn't ). Or sometimes they slow down off of plane to where they are producing maximum wake, thinking they are being courteous. Or you get one on each side going in opposite directions and their wakes converge on you.

9 minutes ago, GAMBLER said:

I find it funny that the IJC webpage no longer allows you to open the link to the outflows page.....

http://ijc.org/en_/islrbc/Regulating_Lake_Ontario-St._Lawrence_River

The link worked last week.  Now anything you click on the page directs you to the same home page.....

Maybe it is overwhelmed with traffic.

I heard back from Brad Hammers with some preliminary info on the results of the trap netting that was just completed on Waneta and Lamoka Lakes. I will have that info at the meeting tonight. So this will be another topic to discuss.