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Wont cause engine damage. Will cause damage to prop shaft seals and possibly shaft carrier bearings/struts/couplers, depending on what drive system you have. Outboard- I/O -straight inboard.

Pretty common engine for older Bayliners . There is one listed on Craigslist in Watertown ,boat motor trailer 1,000 Probably get it for 500 as its been listed for a couple months and hull looks shot. Use the search icon on Craigs and start out with bayliner and or Volvo and narrow it down from there , Select cities/towns your willing to travel so you can broaden your search area.

Like I suggested PM Hank on here and he will respond. Use the search icon for---- Hank L&M

Picture of motor is on Craigslist, no cell number.

Probably want to PM or get in touch with Hank from L& M Marine who is a moderator on here. The Craigslist engine looks pre trigger vintage.

Trigger as in Rotor or something else ?

What went on it ? Gear ,bushing ? All the guts are available at NAPA or similar outlets.  There is one complete engine listed under boat parts on Craigslist about 15 miles south of Oswego and he is parting it out . Not sure if under Syracuse or Rochester, I did a broad search. Using  Mercruiser for the search icon. Probably get it for 50.00 or less.

3 is the max I would put on and that's if it is a. I/O. Save one as a emergency backup . With cheaters  

dipseys and planner boards there is no reason to have 4  riggers.

9 hours ago, Fishnut said:

Secondary question. Which bag should I pull? Port or starboard?
My prop turns clockwise if your standing behind the boat looking at it.


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Generally speaking it should go on the port side. If your trolling into a beam sea and the waves are hitting your starboard side then the bag goes to the starboard side as well. I would think with your idle at 500 rpms no bags would be needed. Sounds like you have no way to measure down speed and are just guessing what to troll at. I guess all you can do is go by your GPS and hope for the best. Most of the time our GPS might read close to 3mph and the fishhawk is at 2.3 - 2.5 but down currents may cause it to go the other way.  Trolling RPMs are generally around 600 and up, with no bags. If you have a I/O you can trim it all the way down and drop your trim tabs to slow it down a tenth or two. 2900-3100 is the sweet zone for cruising to the grounds. I will go from 1.5 GPH at 625- 650 rpms  to 2 GPH at 750 rpms according to my fuel flow meter. That's on a 28 x 11 with twins and one 350 ci  engine doing the work. 

The best economical cruising speed/rpms on most inboard powered engines is 3,000 and you probably will get 1.5 - 1.8 mpg on a boat your size fully equipped with gear and people. Not sure what you have for power or if its a I/O. The I/o will get slightly better MPG because you can adjust your trim for less drag. Trolling will burn around 2 GPH with bags and the rpms that your  running. Your probably getting close to 1 mpg at the rpms you stated your running at to get to the fishing grounds. Based on your and  my numbers you  should be burning about  65 gallons give or take a few depending on conditions and pay load.

Sorry trying to help out... " Transom is original...There are a few soft spots...1/3 of back of boat has to be ripped out to replace transom..."  Sort of contradicting your self when you wrote "soft spots"  etc. In my book soft spot anywhere on transom means replacing and I was just stating that it is a easy job and the back 1/3 does not have to be removed. No further comments from me GLWS.

FYI had similar StarCraft and transom was removal was easy. Back 3rd  of boat does NOT have to be removed. Transom cap and corner plates are removed. Then the splashwell screws are removed from wooden transom along with the screws going through knee braces into transom. . Any handles,eyebolts etc on transom are removed. Then just lift old wood out and use as a template. Excellent price for that platform ,hull never goes bad and is stable on troll ,drift or anchor.

Somewhat surprised that the field is only 55 boats.  When you consider the population difference between the " Golden Horseshoe  " Toronto to St Catherine's has to be pushing 8 million and Wilson to Sodus at around 500,00. That could be another reason for the large entries of smaller boats.  

I would take a wild guess that it will run you around 1 grand to move it on land. If you drove it from Sodus to NE Harbor your looking at maybe 150 miles @ 1 mpg @ 4.00  per gallon so that's 600.minimum in fuel alone and that's not counting moving your cars around. Then when you get to the Welland [,which may charge you as well ],you wait until they assign you to a ship that's going through and you shadow it the whole trip which is about 8 hours with no stopping. And you might wait 8 hours to get assigned. So you may be looking at a 2 + day trip when its all done and said.If your worried about that small moving cost maybe your looking at something that's out of your budget range. Maybe you should call some marinas and ask, or google boat haulers. Used to be a guy in WNY that had a trailer and did it for a living. Check out Craigslist. Or buy a trailer, get the permits yourself and save winter storage and in out fee's . Trailer would pay for itself in about 3-4 years that way and add resale value.

New name for boat needed ! How about, Back to the Future ? Seeing that today is 6/14 . I think I will  hire you to be my stockbroker !!!   [ Just giving you a hard time,thanks for the report ]

21 hours ago, jimski2 said:

In Alaska the limit on “King” salmon is one per person per day. Any fish taken into the boat is your limit and you are finished fishing for the day. You may release fish in the net that stay in the water and continue fishing. This insures unnecessary killing of fish. A thirty pound salmon is plenty of fish to feed your family for a year .


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And this has what to do with fishing tournaments ?  Must be a small family that you can feed a family for a year with 30lbs of fish. If your point is were overharvesting Kings by tournaments ,that's not correct. I would guess 95% of the Kings caught are stocked ,and for the sole purpose of sport fishing. I doubt that all of the 100 of thousands of Kings that are stocked yearly and naturally reproduced are caught.

26-33' are the most popular lengths for Lake Ontario.  Some of the above mentioned boats are known to have bad stringers and transoms .. Tiaras are nicely built and IMHO are 60+% geared towards cruising and some of the deck area is transferred to the cabin area. The upside is the ladies will like it and spending weekends on it may be a bit more comfortable. They are nice platforms and maybe a bit overpriced because of the cult type following on the Great Lakes and demand.  If you look around you will see Trojans,Carolina Classics,Albermarles, BlackFins, Rampages,Puruits ,Topaz ,Cabo.Luhrs.Viking  to name a few that are more fish than cabin, built extremely well ,laid out for bringing them in and just keep raising fish, no matter how old they might be. As noted inboards are more popular on the great lakes because of the room it leaves for the deck as well as the ease $$$ of replacing vs a outboard. Also gives the hull a lower center of gravity and are generally easier to work on by any mechanic or owner.

^ If I see a boat that is all roached out, owners home looks like a junkyard , vehicles in driveway looks like they came from crash a rama and garage looking like a hurricane came through it I figure they guy doesn't care about maintaining anything, including his boat. Now if its the opposite I generally have a good feeling that the boat/motors had oils changed on schedule, was winterized and stored correctly. I don't know any Charter Captains or weekend  warriors that don't take pride in there ride. They have nothing to hide and generally love there boat . AND if your TRYING to sell it, really , you don't have time to make it look presentable ? One thing I forgot, put the asking price on the post.

Trying to sell a boat ?

1- Clean it up, as in swab the deck ,wash and clean helm area, take the crap out of it, then take pictures. Can't believe some of the pictures posted with the deck and or boat looking like it was cleaned a decade ago.

2- Post the hours on engine along with HP

3- Show pictures of engine bay and the working deck area, the most important pictures for most of us.

4- Name the mfg of engine and outdrive if applicable.

5- State it comes or does not with trailer.

6- Name extra fishing equipment,including Auto Pilot/kicker etc that it comes with.

7- Don't really need pictures of you holding fish,[ we have all seen fish before, but not your helm or cabin area.] Unless it is showing us where the gunwales are in relation to your lower body

8- Condition of upholstery,gel coat/hull/trailer/engine/stringers/transom if need be.

9-Does it come with any extra canvas ,-mooring cover-bimini top-drop curtains, eisenglass etc. and if so condition of that.

10- Model number AND actual length and beam.

  These are suggestions to move the sale of your boat along without a lot of Pms not having to be sent or answered. I am sure there might be more and feel free to ad to this list or if I offended anyone, moderator please delete post .

In most other sports AMs do not get paid cash. When they do it immediately turns them into the Pro division. While I agree with the tax implications I think the AMs should get prizes only or gift certificates if they don't want to move up and get paid like the Pro's. That would take care of the tax implications and allow them to remain true Ams.

34 minutes ago, Fat Trout said:

I would think having a solo category wouldn't be too bad to sort out.  I would agree on 1,2,3,4 being a bit much though.  Get a few solo guys to meet each other at events and next thing you know you have some teams of 2 or 3.

My issue with one man teams on Ontario would be safety. I would never run one allowing that (, possible insurance issues,? ) they have a tendency to run them in rougher conditions and I wouldn't want a deadly accident hanging over my head.

1 hour ago, jimski2 said:

Separate prizes for a one man boat , two man boat, three man boat, four man boat would attract more entrants. Competing against a boat fishing eighteen lines is unfair to a smaller boat.


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Way too complicated for the officials to sort out. 5-6 fish limit with max of 6 rods is about as fair and basic as it gets. Fished the WHI with 5 aboard plus observer, 6 rods are all that's allowed. Makes you really think what to run,riggers//divers/copper/lead core/planer boards and then you get into meats/spoons/flys/flashers etc. Pretty much evens out the playing field.

Depends on what your budget is. Quite a few nice used  28-34 CC for 100,000 and up. Theses are usually docked,not trailered. I have also seen some nice 26' dual consoles, relative has one,cost him 150,000+ new. I personally like a 28-34' express cruiser with straight inboards if money is part of the equation . If I am out cruising with family and fishing give me the biggest express cruiser you got, if money is not a question, a 45' Buddy Davis would ring my bell !

 Any hydraulic repair shop ,as in cylinders for construction,HD equipment etc. will stock and sell them  Google your area and I am sure quite a few will pop up.

There were 39 boats entered. in defense of WHI and not being up to speed with posting results etc. I believe the organizers just bought the restaurant and marina recently. So I am sure there hands are full getting both operations up and running, more so the Wilson Boathouse Restaurant as someone else had been running that ,unlike the Marina that Kevin had been managing. I wish them good luck with both businesses . The Tourney itself was fun and the weather was decent for fishing ! Just about everyone has full boxes unlike past years ,so big fish was the name of the game. Only one or two bigger fish in the box separated 2nd from 20th,very tight.