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    Joes original pirate lures

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    Thanks for that info .. but I stopped fishing the oak in 85. So how did I get spoons made in the 90’s in the 80’s


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    I have a bunch he made on the back of his boat just for me. I worked for charter that was docked right next to him. And in the ams waiting for customers to show up he made them, Love the hand hammered ones. Mine will never see water I would cry if I lost one. I also have some that were never finished. And some other crazy things he made messing around..

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    Fully furnished home sleeps 6 -minutes to Lake Ontario, Waterport Damn & TheOaK

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    imageproxy.php?img=&key=7e961de8267f286a82091a30b6a267685e7c62727d8dc18243990079966682b0Hello- we offer a furnished single family home available for nightly or weekly rental in Orleans County, NY. We are conviently located between Ridge Road Route 104 and the Oak Orchard River off of Route 98 in Carlton. We are minutes to all the best fishing spots in Orleans County, close to everything. Message us for our current specials and pricing! [email protected]
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    Place looks great and what a location for either stream or lake fisherman

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    Where are all the 20lb Steelhead we used to see

    in Open Lake Discussion

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    You're wrong.....the state doesn't need these people and their lack of ethics. As King Davy explained there are a lot of people with money that would take their place if they were gone. I have fished a trib once each year for the last 3 seasons. Prior to that I fished them every Saturday/Sunday between Oct 1 and ice fishing season. I just can't stand to see the shyt that goes on in our tribs anymore. I personally don't care about the businesses who promote this either. Selling shark rods and 1/0 hooks in Pulaski is just adding to it. 
    Rich I was not saying it's right I was saying that's how the state looks at it. And am not sure the mass numbers would be there if it was than great. And I agree it is sickening to watch how crappy these fish are treated that time of year. And just like you I have stopped stream fishing bc of that and the numbers of fisherman making it hard to enjoy it. And you 3 might be perfectly right if the DEC put it's foot down like Alaska and cleaned it up we might see a much nicer stream fishery , but I know that the DEC loves the money it brings in and until some one proves to them if they clean it up the money will still show up it wont happen.. and I agree the good business would remain and do well and the crap ones that only promote poor fishing styles would either change or go away unmissed. I am on the same side as you guys just pointing out how I feel the state looks at it.

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    Where are all the 20lb Steelhead we used to see

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    The fish are difficult to catch, that’s what makes them gamefish.  They are a lot easier to catch if people are not standing in the middle of the river right on top of them, and if people are trying to catch them rather than manipulating large amounts of lead to get it up close to the head, and then yanking, or running short drifts through the standing waves so the line gets caught in their teeth, and then yanking.   Changing this will require shaming the unethical fisherman, currently a near impossibility during the salmon run, or ticketing, which Region 8 has committed to doing, lets get the other regional LE guys on board.  It would help to have some strong statements from NYSDEC fisheries.  And I would hope to never again see a picture of a charter captain in a pirate hat “helping” with egg take by lifting hens for NYSDEC staff!!
    King Davy and lucky both great points . But the pure numbers of fisherman buying NYS fishing license would go down and the state looks at that number first. Again is that right or wrong? I agree we chase away quality fisherman with the way it is now...in fact I am one. I stopped stream fishing bc of the number of people. I never fished for kings in the upper rivers but I used to brown trout and steelhead fish more days than not from late November until spring I have not been now I'm about 12 years . But could the state make up those dollars from Mass license sales with the higher dollar fisherman? I don't know. Like Rich said we can't play the stream fisherman against the lake ones we all fish for the same fish and our money spent doing all go to the same place and all help stock fish..

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    Where are all the 20lb Steelhead we used to see

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    Thank you very much, Gambler.  I have all this bookmarked but never thought of it as a meeting summary, just the summary of the full annual report to the GLFC.

    If you look at section 9 of the full report (http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/fish_marine_pdf/lorpt17.pdf)  Figure 7 indicates that the 5 year and older steelhead have nearly disappeared from what reaches the hatchery.  Maybe the “larger fish”  genes have just been eliminated from the gene pool.

    No arguments from me about the ”shyteshow” in September- early October, Rick, but even with patrols assigned to the Genesee last year from all over Region 8, the circus was still going strong.  As long as the higher ups in Albany (higher up than NYSDEC)  want to sell NYS to every outsider who wants to come and play whatever game they want, we’re going to see more of the same.  And the river guides up in P-town don’t help a lot, most of them just teach the west coast sockeye lining technique as necessary for kings, and when the salmon are done and the chrome show up early, like last October,  the ‘bows are just more fodder for the cooler for these rippers.   The only saving grace there is that most of the yahoos at least follow the one fish limit, but they can certainly put a hurting on a lot of fish with those methods. 

    As to the perceived “ fight,”  I only pointed out the data that is out there about harvest, I would love to see everyone working together for improvement of the fishery, and especially the ethics. 

    I was in the fishing tackle industry for years and sold to that stores in the salmon River area. It's a shame the fishery has to be that way there but one thing we have to look at is it's a huge amount of money put back in this fishery. Now I am not saying it makes it right to snag or promote unethical fishing practices but you can't chase all those people away and expect that money to still be there for stocking and promotion of the sport. Not everyone can afford to take a charter, or buy a boat and talked it takes to catch them in the lake. So how can you fix it easy? I don't think you can. Only way I see is education but truly I have fished for the river salmon and they are hard to catch, most people don't want to spend the time it would take to catch them. Does that make it ok to be unethical? Nope but it's the facts. The state needs that money raised by that fishery.. how do we fix it ?

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    Where are all the 20lb Steelhead we used to see

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    Thank you very much, Gambler.  I have all this bookmarked but never thought of it as a meeting summary, just the summary of the full annual report to the GLFC.

    If you look at section 9 of the full report (http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/fish_marine_pdf/lorpt17.pdf)  Figure 7 indicates that the 5 year and older steelhead have nearly disappeared from what reaches the hatchery.  Maybe the “larger fish”  genes have just been eliminated from the gene pool.

    No arguments from me about the ”shyteshow” in September- early October, Rick, but even with patrols assigned to the Genesee last year from all over Region 8, the circus was still going strong.  As long as the higher ups in Albany (higher up than NYSDEC)  want to sell NYS to every outsider who wants to come and play whatever game they want, we’re going to see more of the same.  And the river guides up in P-town don’t help a lot, most of them just teach the west coast sockeye lining technique as necessary for kings, and when the salmon are done and the chrome show up early, like last October,  the ‘bows are just more fodder for the cooler for these rippers.   The only saving grace there is that most of the yahoos at least follow the one fish limit, but they can certainly put a hurting on a lot of fish with those methods. 

    As to the perceived “ fight,”  I only pointed out the data that is out there about harvest, I would love to see everyone working together for improvement of the fishery, and especially the ethics. 

    I was in the fishing tackle industry for years and sold to that stores in the salmon River area. It's a shame the fishery has to be that way there but one thing we have to look at is it's a huge amount of money put back in this fishery. Now I am not saying it makes it right to snag or promote unethical fishing practices but you can't chase all those people away and expect that money to still be there for stocking and promotion of the sport. Not everyone can afford to take a charter, or buy a boat and talked it takes to catch them in the lake. So how can you fix it easy? I don't think you can. Only way I see is education but truly I have fished for the river salmon and they are hard to catch, most people don't want to spend the time it would take to catch them. Does that make it ok to be unethical? Nope but it's the facts. The state needs that money raised by that fishery.. how do we fix it ?

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    Where are all the 20lb Steelhead we used to see

    in Open Lake Discussion

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    Food is an issue but you can't over look the fact that these fish get hammered in the tribs. Steelhead caught over and over again get stressed.  Twenty years ago, steelhead fishing on the tribs was not nearly as popular. I used to fish the Genesee River in the fall and after the salmon died off, it was a ghost town compared to what it is now.  Everyone says lakers eat a ton of gobies.  Since the gobie invasion, I have cut up a ton of lakers yet I find way more alewife than gobies in them.  The only time I find more gobies than alewife is in April / early may before the bait comes in shore. 
    I am not saying fishing pressure be it boat , or tribs don't have some thing to do with numbers but size it sure does not And I realize if you catch 10 fish your chances of a really big one is smaller than if you catch 100, but if the only problem is fishing pressure explain the salmon size decreasing on average. It used to be by this time of the year most salmon were over 20lbs and probably half the matures were almost 25 and a lot in the high 20's now your lucky if you catch a mature all year over 25.

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    Where are all the 20lb Steelhead we used to see

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    Spot On Brian!  More Steel killed in tribs then the lake.  What the tribe guys wont ever understand is Steelhead is a by-catch in the lake.  As long as there are Kings to catch the Steelhead will always be around for the tribs unless they kill it for themselves.
    I have been fishing lake Ontario since the late 70's and it has changed huge since then. If you don't think it's a forage problem and want to blame trib fishing think of this. I think Yankee troller is right on. And here is more to add to it. It's had now to tell 2 year old and 3 year old salmon apart anymore. And for sure mature salmon are smaller on average then in the hay days of the 80's. And the steelhead are for sure smaller on average, the numbers are down and I am sure that has to die off. But look at the small mouth bass, the browns, the lake trout. Those all have seen increased sizes. I know the zebra muscles changed this lake huge. If you look at the fish that are bigger they tend to feed more near bottom or on gobies. I am not very smart but I can tell you I know it takes food to make fish grow. It seems there is a lot of bait now , but there is some reason the fish are not growing as big. Maybe they have to hunt harder for it bc the water is clearer? It could make them have to spend more energy to catch it. Just all this seems to go back to major over all changes in the water in lake Ontario.

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    Braddocks 8-7

    in New York Fishing Reports - Lake Ontario (South Shore)

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    My rod holders aren’t strong enough. Need to figure that out.



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    Just buy the Scotty striker rod holders they are about $ 55 each they can handle the stress of 10 foot diver rods and salmon no problem.. it's the most adorable rod holders that will handle divers. Way cheeper to buy them now then loss a diver rod and then buy them..



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    15 foot Smoker Craft

    in Boats for Sale

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    1988 Smoker Craft 28 hp high output motor and easy to load unload full roller traler

     

    $1,600

     

    Motor had sat 2 years started and ran like it had been shut off 2 mins .

     

    Has live well.

     

    Great bass or small lake boat but I fished lake Ontario with it alot it fishes bigger than it is

     

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    Twisted up newbie issues

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    Another thing I have had happen and had it happen a few times with one spin doctor is the ball bearing swivel that comes on them can sometimes get tangled. It's not even really tangled but the ball bearing part gets caught down on the side of the loop it's hooked to the snap on. And it makes it pull ball bearing up against the snap at a funny angle and it can't spin free. I think what happens is when you toss it in and there's slack it can get cocked like that and some snaps are worse. I had on that did it a few times I tossed that swivel and just started swapped on from another one ant it stopped.

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    Sutton Spoons

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    20 Sutton Spoons all brand new were still wrapped in the paper they came in. They are from the late 80's  but never unwrapped until now

    Starting from top left here is whats there. $110 shipped in the US

     

    2- model 71's brass/silver smooth 

    7- model 32's hammered silver

    1 -model 72  hammered silver

    2- model 38 hammered brass and silver

    2- model 31's hammered silver

    1- model 31 hammered brass and silver

    4 -model 22's hammered brass and silver

    1 model 23 hammered brass and silver

     

     

     

     

     

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    HUGHES / OAK ORCHARD

    in New York Fishing Reports - Lake Ontario (South Shore)

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    We did 9 bites and landed 5....... at the oak.....great day other than the dumb pa guy at the black north launch taking up 3 spots in the parking lot with his camper......


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    Since we are on that why the flip do cars have to park in the trailer spots I feel like blocking them in and leaving my truck and trailer for a week. This am you had that camper jerk and a car. There was 10 open car spots and he takes a trailer spot. Also one last ****. If ita dark and your at any launch once you back in turn you head lights off!!! I hate backing up with nothing but glowing headlights in my mirrors

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