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    3 RODS PER PERSON

    in Open Lake Discussion

    Posted

    NYS Law:

    Angling means taking fish by hook and line. This includes bait and fly fishing, casting, trolling and the use of landing nets to complete the catch. Anglers must be in immediate attendance when their lines are in the water. An angler may operate no more than two lines with or without a rod, and each line is limited to not more than five lures or baits or a combination of both, and in addition, each line shall not exceed fifteen hook points in any combination of single, double or treble hooks. Snatching, lifting, hooking and use of tip-ups are not angling.

    Michigan Law:

    Hook and Line Fishing: Fish so taken must be hooked in the mouth. Fish not hooked in the mouth must be returned to the water immediately. No more than two lines per person (including tip-ups) nor more than four hooks or lures may be used. Except: on L. Michigan, L. Huron, Superior and the St. Marys R., those persons in the act of trolling while targeting trout/salmon may use three rods/lines and attach no more than six hooks total on all lines. Hooks must be baited or attached to an artificial bait. All hooks attached to an artificial bait or “night crawler harness†are counted as one hook.

    I look at the two sections above as follows:

    NYS:

    -Defines all applicable fishing methods.

    -Require immediate attendance (My note: if your crew is sleeping in the cabin, you better pull his lines or you’re illegal)

    -Stipulates two lines per angler (My note: This does not stipulate rods & reels therefore Seth Green rigs & small attended trot lines are allowed)

    -Limits number of lures/baits per line

    -Limits number of hook points per line

    -Defines non-applicable fishing methods (My note: It is legal to snatch/lift suckers in some inland parts of the state.

    Michigan:

    -Stipulates immediate release of foul hooked fish for hook/line fishing

    -Stipulates two lines per person

    -Limits number of hooks/lures per person. (My note: We say a small Rapala has two treble hooks or six points. They say that same Rapala counts as one hook)

    -States an exception which includes:

    ---Stipulates the “Great lakes areasâ€

    ---Stipulates the “Act of trollingâ€

    ---Stipulates “Targeting Trout/Salmonâ€

    ---Allows three rods/lines

    ---Limits the number of hooks/lures total for that person

    ---Stipulates hooks attached to a lure or baited

    ---Stipulates that a lure counts as a hook.

    Basically what I proposed:

    -A special regulation for Sportfishing

    -Stipulating a certain season on the open waters and specifically not on the bays, rivers or channels

    -Stipulating only “Actively trolling for trout/Salmonâ€

    -Allowing 3 lines per person and that they must be attached to rods

    -Limiting the number of lures/baits for all of that person’s lines

    -Limiting the number of points on an individual rod

    -Limiting the number of lures/baits per boat

    -Stipulating hooks attached to a lure or be baited

    -Stipulating immediate release of foul hooked fish

    -Stipulating that the legal limit of fish is still in effect.

    The reasoning behind what I proposed is that I believe fishing should be a pleasurable recreational experience. I love being on the water and to me, fishing means catching a fish once in a while; not just spending a fortune every year on boat, gas, tackle, launch fees, registrations, licenses, inspections, etc to get skunked repeatedly.

    I feel the bait and the fish were out there this year and catches were definitely down. They were all over the place, in depth and in the water column. As pointed out by Fishstix, they were very picky eaters this year.

    80% of the time I fly solo with 100% C&R, and strictly as a weekend warrior recreational fisherman. Although I will not seriously criticize any professional with a party that wants to keep their legally caught limit of legal fish. (Keyword: legal) My rigger probe is always down for speed & temp, therefore it always has a line on it. Where do I put my other line? Out?; down?; down & out?; Out-down?; back?; back & down? 50 years of experience & dumb luck make that decision for me. On the open water, you don’t see the fish. Even with the most sophisticated sonars, you only see a very small area (at least with what I can afford). What you see on your sonar is well in the past by the time you react to it. At best you hope for some other fish to repeat what you saw. Structure on the open lake is a lot different than in small lakes, bays, etc.

    I’m sure some guys are going to argue that people may be tempted to keep more than their limit. That is why I suggest stipulating in that reg that the legal limit still applies.

    I’m sure some will say but that gives the “40 ft meat wagons†more chance to rape natureâ€. That is why I suggest a boat limit on lures & that lines must be attached top rods.

    I’m sure some will say “combat fishing is too wild as it is.†That is why I suggest the season and prohibited areas.

    I’m sure some will say “you’ll just snag more fish.†That is why I suggest the foul hooking section and that hooks must be baited or attached to lures.

    I’m sure some will say “but you’ll have incidental catches of my Bass or Musky.†That is why I suggest “Actively trolling for Trout/Salmonâ€, prohibit certain areas, etc.

    I’m sure some guys will say “Where is the dividing point between the channel & the open water?†That is an item I would leave to the C.O.s, courts & witnesses with cell phones just as a lot of the current Trib & inland regulations are now.

    I’m sure some will say “I think the numbers you picked are too highâ€, or ‘too low’; or that the season isn’t the right length. That is why I’m open to suggestions and would like to hear what you guys think. (for &/or against)

    Tom B.

    (LongLine)

    3 RODS PER PERSON

    in Open Lake Discussion

    Posted

    Brian, I could go for that. More lines in the water may/might (hopefully) make some guys more cautious/aware of their navigation in tighter quarters. How about Labor day? Day after is generally when guys start making a pass at the mouth then head out.

    Tom B.

    (LongLine)

    3 RODS PER PERSON

    in Open Lake Discussion

    Posted

    Here's what I just wrote to

    Regulatory Coordinator for the Division of Fish, Wildlife & Marine Resources

    Rose Diana,

    Telephone: (518) 402-8985. E-mail: [email protected]

    Ms Diana,

    As a weekend recreational fisherman on Lake Ontario, I would like to suggest that the DEC consider a new "special regulation" concerning the number of "lines" allowed per angler on the open waters of NYS Lake Ontario for those persons specifically targeting Salmon & Trout. I understand that Michigan allows 3 rods rather than two for this but also has a "hook" limit.

    There has been some discussion concerning this on the LakeOntarioUnited website which is mainly a Lake Ontario Salmon/Trout fishing forum. This past season, I feel the fish were more scattered throughout the lake than I have seen in many years of fishing the Big-O. I know quite a few smaller trollers were totally frustrated with lack of success especially with the high cost of fuel this past summer. Allowing another rod per person would enable the "small guy" to cover more of the water column hence increase his chances for that trophy fish that we all know the Big-O is famous for.

    I would propose a sportfishing regulation to include a 3 rod limit per person along with a boat-lure/bait limit, location and time period definition as well as a reminder about foul hooked fish, hook size, etc along the lines of the following:

    Proposal for Lake Ontario Special Sportfishing Regulations:

    From April 1 through and including August 1, each person actively trolling for Trout/Salmon on the NYS open waters of Lake Ontario may use three lines attached to three separate rods and attach no more than six lures/baits on all his rods up to a maximum of 15 lures per boat. The open water does not include rivers, harbors, embayments, or channels. Hooks must be baited or attached to an artificial lure. All hooks attached to artificial lures must be free swinging and hook gaps are not to exceed ¾â€. A total of no more than 9 hook points are allowed on an individual rod. Fish so taken must be hooked in the mouth. Fish not hooked in the mouth must be returned to the water immediately. This regulation does not allow any angler to keep more than his daily limit of legally caught fish.

    Please consider this proposal,

    Thank you,

    Tom Bishop

    Tom B.

    (LongLine)

    3 RODS PER PERSON

    in Open Lake Discussion

    Posted

    The only problem is , on the Big "O" when the fish are cocentrated to a small area there will be boats trying to run a mass of rods & boards in a Battle Zone
    common sense should also fall into the equation!

    So how about April 1st through Aug 1st ? NYS has quite a few fishing regulations in effect between certain dates.

    Tom B.

    (LongLine)

    3 RODS PER PERSON

    in Open Lake Discussion

    Posted

    I believe Mich also has a hook/lure law to complement that rod law. I think the current two line rule is good for shoreline/tribs/bays. On the boats, I'd rather see a rod per person & lure/bait limit per boat for the open water. I'd propose boats could have 3 rods per person & 12 lure/baits for the boat. (If they want to limit each lure/bait to a certain number of points that's okay by me)

    Tom B.

    (LongLine)

    tape & ladder backs

    in Tackle Description

    Posted

    There's a sticker/label remover called "Un-Du" that works great at removing tapes and the sticky residue. It's used by scrapbook people & sold in craft stores. It works better than acetone. (still flammable, but smells better than acetone) It won't hurt the stock paint job on spoons.

    Tom B.

    (LongLine)

    Here Is What I Have To Put Up With

    in Open Lake Discussion

    Posted

    Stan, Sounds like those anti-600 ft guys have never fished a real lake. They've definitely never been on one of the Great Lakes. Which is okay I guess, cuz you're getting a leg up on them come derby time. (Pyramid Lake Nevada is about 1/2 the size of a few of our our Finger puddles...err... Lakes)

    Top Linning structure with a board can be extremely effective once you get the hang of it. Just use your boat handling skills to control the board. Many guys here fish boards in 3 FOW looking for early spring Browns.

    Tom B.

    (LongLine)

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