LongLine

Agree with MissD, probably a good size king. Have had a few charge the boat & go deep. (Turn away from them and crank like crazy.) If you're ever lucky enough to hook an Atlantic, you'll know it by the aerobatics that most of them put on.

Tom B.

(LongLine)

"oldies but goodies"...eh? hmmm...I got a few 25 yr old Honeybees...

Upwelling was totally weird. Miss your pics man. What's a Fishlander Shark look like?

Tom B.

(LongLine)

Out of the Genny at 1st light. Haven’t been out in a couple weekends. Water has definitely gone down. River low 60’s, short plume to the East. Brisk south wind. Headed towards Russell & then out to 90 FOW, just looking. Surface in close - high 40’s.

Trolled out to 175FOW where surf temp was mid 60’s. Down temps unstable. Found the edge of the upwelling in 157 FOW & worked the outer edge for a while. (see other post).

Apparently staging Kings were hanging out on deep side of the upwelling as caught 3 of these on an Antifreeze Howie (Green) behind a char/glo dodger. 37-45 down, approx 30 back. (This one is 16 ½ Lbs)

No lamprey marks on any of them. All same shade.

Quite a few seagulls swimming around just on the warmer side. I could hear a couple of other boats but couldn’t see them so guess they went way out.

Tom B.

(LongLine)

Whenever the coastwatch site shows shades of gray or black areas, check this site out. (This satellite seems to penetrate clouds better.)

http://www.glerl.noaa.gov/res/glcfs/glc ... pe=N&hr=00

Tom B.

(LongLine)

p.s. don't ask why I named it 8_7_07

Tom - I know hindsight is always 20-20 (excluding Ray's joke down below) but I would have gone direct to Moor. They have excellent service for parts. Might cost some $ more but worth it - no frustration. There just a few more miles than sodus from your place. (Duane gets 5 stars in my book)

Tom B.

(LongLine)

Every night for an hour's worth-

LOU

Sanders

GLF

Spoonpullers

GLCFS (Transects, surf currents, Surf temps)

NOAA.weather forecast (Bradks-Put'ville)

Mich Coastwatch

Modis imagery

NDBC 45012

On Mondays only add:

GL sport fishing council

Great-lakes.net

Night before fishing add:

Nat weather Radar

NOAA graphical – (waves)

Tom B.

(LongLine)

Dre - The formula for the maximum range you can talk to your buddy is approximately the sum of the square root of your antenna height plus the square root of your buddy’s antenna multiplied by 1.4. Assuming a 3db antenna and negating atmospheric conditions.

Hey Ray – Pocket saver? Nice grouping on the punctuation marks. Glad to see you're finally getting the hang of them. Anyways, next time you want more range from home with the handheld, just climb up on the roof and try it. Also if you want to see the effect of atmospheric conditions, get out on the roof and try it before, during and after a thunderstorm.

:roll:

Tom B.

(LongLine)

P.s. Dre – If you out there and ever see lightening or hear a storm's coming, drop that dam antenna.

x'x

WTG.

Looks like Mark has some competition for the OSCAR(fish) award this year.

Tom B.

(LongLine)

Dre

vhf's typically transmit 10-20 miles over water regardless of wattage. Max wattage on vhf is 25 watts(Fed law). vhf is line of sight. There are places in I-Bay where you won't talk to anybody except guys directly in front of the bay regardless of what radio/antenna you have. The "line of sight" and the antenna are the main factors for transmission/reception range not wattage. In particular, the height of the antenna.

If you're using a hand-held then make sure the unit is held vertically with the antenna as high in the air as possible for maximum range. It's not like a cell phone that can be held horizontally. The 8ft whip will make a tremendous difference in range and you won't have to stand up in rough water.

Given the same antennas, wattage difference only allows the 25 watt'r to override the 5 watt'r. i.e if two boats 4 miles apart are talking on one channel at 5 watts and the another boat comes between or near them and starts transmitting on the same channel at 25 watts, the original two boats will only hear the 25 watt broadcast. On the other hand if the original two boats are talking at 25 watts and the boat that comes between them or near them starts broadcasting at 5 watts, the original two boats may hear a little interference but still able to carry on their own conversation.

The differences between wattages is a reason that some radio manners are appreciated by all. i.e if you're not a part of the conversation that's going on or contributing to it, then please wait till it's over before broadcasting. (This para is not directed at you Dre. It's intended for a few out there)

The CG can be heard all over the lake. The height of their antenna gives them the range and the wattage of their transmitter overides all converstaions going on out there.

One more thing worth noting is that on some channels, your vhf radio will automatically reduce its wattage (because FCC requires it)

Here's a decent link from "boats":

http://www.boatus.com/foundation/findin ... ostvhf.htm

h.i.h.

Tom B.

(LongLine)

I'd say there was a pretty good upwelling starting west of Russell the other day (8/8)

Lousy pic but there was a 7F surf drop

Tom B.

(LongLine)

WTG Skipper.

And you guys thought I was making up the part about the knees shaking huh?

Tom B.

(LongLine)

If you go to this site and either click on the time scale or run the animation, you can see the extent of the predicted upwelling areas.

http://www.glerl.noaa.gov/res/glcfs/glc ... pe=F&hr=03

Go to the nowcast pull down, click on lake Ontario surface temps and then click on time scales and you can see how quickly the Big-O changes.

Good Luck guys, I gotta freeking work again. :x

Tom B.

(LongLine)

If you suspect you're getting water in the engine, I'd suggest you check your oil dipstick frequently. Oil & water that have been stirred up will turn a creamy color. (Years back, I had a '66 mecruiser that developed a hole in the plate that separated the water jacket from the exhaust in the exhaust manifold. Sucked some water in every time I shut it down - drove me nuts finding it... but that's another story)

Tom B.

(LongLine)

Welcome back to the "big" waters. Fleas been around couple/few years. Only one of the many invasives we now have to contend with. Larger vertical line helps a lot.

Tom B.

(LongLine)

Happy "nifty-fifty" Ray. Found any tackle shops that give "senior discounts?"

Tom B.

(LongLine)

BP

http://www.protroll.com/products/elures/

I'm glad you asked because now I see they sell e-chip kits that can be attached to any lure. Time to dust off the credit card... heh, heh, heh)

Tom B.

(LongLine)

T-Burn

Frustrating sometimes isn’t it. Don’t get discouraged. I sucked wind on Sat & had a tough time too & I’ve been fishing a little more than two weeks. It’ll get better pretty soon.

If it’s any consolation, the lake in the center of the S shore is moving around quite a bit. I think we’re due for another upwelling pretty soon. Check the other reports - Billy V in Fair Haven got them deep in the column over deep FOW whereas Reel Drag had a ball on the bottom in the shallows off Sandy & Fishstix nailed them shallow in the column over medium FOW out of Hughes.

Tom B.

(LongLine)

ps – We’re all “newbiesâ€Â

Good Luck.

Tom B.

(LongLine)

Only 65 :?:

Well after missing 2 Saturdays, it felt good to be on the water again. Put in early at River & was off Russell in 100 FOW at 5:00(am). Started out cloudy overhead & to the west and somewhat clearer to the East w/ slight SW wind. After sun was up a little, it got real hazy. Couldn’t tell for sure if I was off Long Pond or the river when I pulled out at 11:30, till I got back in to 70 FOW & could see the shoreline.

Anyways, zigzagged out to 270 FOW then back in again, spending some time around 190 FOW. 2 small Kings 90 over 190 on a 28 spook and a volleyball that I gave to neighbor’s kid.

Could not find a stable temp anywhere except the surface, which held around 70 ½. Currents going every which way. Fleas all over the place. Did not mark any bait nor fish. (strange…) There's some major water movement/stirring taking place.

Oh well, it felt good to be on the water again.

Tom B.

(LongLine)

Just found this fish cam:

http://www.lssu.edu/arl/fishcam.php

Love it when they come right up to the camera & smile.

Tom B.

(LongLine)

Yea, but you got'a big butt section tho ...right?

Tom B.

(LongLine)

Stix - never tried it. It might work. Think it'd hurt the mono??

Ray - Just sprinkle a little of that dog powder on your line or go to PetCo and get one of those special collars. Wrap it around you rod between the 2nd & 3rd eyelet. Either will keep the spinny fleas off.

Tom B.

(LongLine)

JayVee's on Norton St in Roch, has a wall for Salmon stuff - NK's, stingers, SD's.

Don't know what Mitch's on Lake Ave has. Anyone know????? I pass it every time I launch but have never stopped -

Tom B.

(LongLine)

The King is one of the few only fish you can tail. i.e you can grab him at the base of the tail and pick him up as his tail won't collapse. With the boat in forward, I tail him with one hand and the place second hand under his belly, pointed towards bow. After a couple minutes, he may swim off by himself. If not, he may get a strong push headfirst downward. (Never hold the fish so the water comes in his gills & out his mouth.)

Tom B.

(LongLine)

1. Don't hang weights on those dingblst'd hooks.

2. Cut the ring off, drill hole & screw in a wood thread eye bolt that has the threads epoxied. Be careful drilling lead because it will grab the bit & load rather quickly. (make sure your cable has a swivel snap on it)

or

3. Get new weights & make sure the eye has a heavy wire in it. (still, don't hang the weights on those hooks)

Tom B.

(LongLine)