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Shade, When you run flashers off of the copper, I go 20' per 100' of copper. Spoons I follow the 22' per 100' of copper. 45lb copper will run a lot deeper than 30lb. copper. 300' leadcore (10 colors) only runs 40 - 50' down depending on brand and lb. lead, copper will get you 60 -66' down with the same amount of line out.

Bill Chennel Here is his phone number 305-7887

If you run 2 sliders on one rod, you are asking for a mess. I'm a fan of fixed cheaters. Sliding cheater work great but, it is harder to duplicate the exact depth you took the last fish at. I will run a rod off the ball and stack a rod above it and cheat the top rod if the fish are really spread out in the water column. The bottom rod does not get cheated because that will tangle with the top rod.

10 colors of lead will not go nearly as deep as 300' of 45 lb copper. Foot for foot, copper achieves depth quicker. I also believe copper moves more in the water column than core. I junked all of my lead core rigs for coppers. I have 7 coppers in various lengths. They flat out produce fish. They are pricey but worth every penny.

I put a short 6' section of 50 lb. mono between the copper and backing on all of my copper rigs. This helps hold the line in the release on rough days. I too run the Scotty releases but I don't need rubber bands with the mono between the copper and the backing. I run the bigger Scotty plainer releases for copper with flasher / fly combos and coppers over 200' with spoons. The shorter coppers with spoons do well in the smaller Scotty releases. I also run the Big Jon Otter boats. Inlines are a pain with copper because they do not run true.

Mated for Capt Sam for the 6 year in a row and had a great day on the water. Between the morning and afternoon trips we were 11 for 19 with 1 coho, 2 kings and 8 steelies. The steelies were all over the place yesterday. We took steelies from the surface to 75' down. Both kings came down 90 over 130' at the same time (right at the end of the day). Lost another big king off the boards and a couple nice steelies off the board. We had one big steelie hit a rigger parked at 35 on the Starboard rigger and was jumping on the other side of the wire dispy on the port side of the boat . That did not end well . The hot lures of the day: Orange crush NK28, Stinger NBK, Stinger Gator, and the Live Wire Spin Doctor and the green hammer fly. We took fish off riggers, boards, dipsies and coppers. The most consistant depths were 90' down, 55' down and the surface. There was a nice temp break on the surface off of Vanlare in 135' going Southeast to Northwest. Temp changed 2 degrees and was holding a lot of fish and bait.

Happy B-day Chad.

Congrats on your 4th place finish BillyV

Ray, Is that the solar system between your plainer masts?

Does anyone know if Oak Orchard is going to run the 3 fish monthly derbies like last July and August?

It is called Clear and Cold water. With no rain we have clear water on the shoreline. Fish will scatter and spread out deep. The deep water is crystal clear and cold. In another week or 2, the temp breaks will start to set up and things will get going. Also the browns are shutting down early because they have gobies to fill up on easily. What good colored water we have in the area is getting hammered every day. Things will pick up. Just be patient.

I was but figured out a way around the log on problems. Go to main log on screen, right click on LOG IN in the upper right corner, select open in a new window, log in. You should be fine after that.

The browns are shuttig off early because they are feeding on gobies and filling themselves up fast.

Try here http://websearch.cs.com/gw/boomframe.js ... ron.com%2F

looks like hes taking a dump!

If that was the case Ray, the hatch would be open!

If you buy an autopilot, look into the Simrad products. They are easy to install and a quality product. You will wonder how you ever fished without one once you use it.

My condolences to you and your family Jason.

Nice report Billy. What happened to the probe?

Stinger Stingray NBK and Live Spin Doctor and the Green Hammer Atommik were my 2 favorite lures off the copper down the chute or off the boards.

Looks like the date thing was dropped?

The Genny is the Genesee River off or Rochester. Here is a good map from the LOC derby site http://www.loc.org/resources/maps/lakemap.asp

Nice fish Clarke. Hope it holds in the top 20 for you.

I believe it is 10 for trout and 20 for salmon

Shawn,

Call Big Jon. They sell mounts for Berts tracks that fit there rod holders. I was told they were $10 -$15 each.

The Spring LOC has been run this way for years. The East end and Rochester area have put out the Grand Prize winning king in the past spring derbies (2004 Jim Unkle off Oswego - 1997, 98 or 99 Adam Simara Off of Rochester). You can say the same thing about the Fall LOC. Most years, a large percentage of the kings have migrated to the Oswego / Salmon river area during the majority of the fall derby. There are plenty of browns, steelies, and lakers that pay out a nice paycheck. As far as the weather goes, it is a crap shoot no matter what time of the year it is. No matter what LOC does, someone will not be happy. They can not accomidate everyone. I just go out there to have fun and fish. If I catch a winning fish, thats an added bonus.

Get used to that Bill. You are a West ender now!