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  1. The small alternators on kickers don’t keep up with the draw used trolling especially with high speed riggers.  What position is your battery switch in?  Best bet is to run 1 or 2 position not in “both”.  When you run “both” the weaker battery draws down the better battery.  Also how old are your batteries?  I’ve had older batteries that load test as good when fully charged, but then discharge quickly.  3 years is roughly the life expectancy of a battery.  Your Honda should have an alternator.  I had a Honda and the alternator output feed was an option sold separately.  So check your wiring to see if it has been wired in to your electrical system.  With fully charged batteries, you should be able to run all day on a single battery with your second battery as a backup.  Between trips charge the battery.  My next kicker will have a larger alternator for sure.

  2. Attached are couple pics of the track setup on my Proline.  I have a 12" track and a 24" track on each side and the two factory mount flush mounts.  For Lake Ontario I have a 4 rigger spread with rear riggers on Cannon swivels mounts w/o track then 2 riggers in 12" track on Traxstech swivel.  For Lake Erie the two track mounted riggers come off and more rod holders go on.  To me tracks provide a lot of flexibility.  The standard flush mounts angle isn't quite right for great lakes trolling so I don't use them too much- I tried to angle them differently and it wouldn't work without hacking them up so I left them stock.  I have aluminum backer under the tracks.  Nice thing with tracks you can add as you go a long.  Hope this is helpful.    



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  3. The Mag 10A motor assembly has a internal gear arrangement with three plastic pucks.  When those pucks disintegrate the motor begins to “skip” on retrevial.  Pull output gear off shaft and lift cover to expose the pucks.  I made some new pucks for a rigger I used to have- think I might have the jig and the composite material to make more.  Cannon doesn’t have motors for that model available.  I had trouble finding pieces to fix my rigger and that was probably 7 years ago. 

  4. Snap weights are a good option.  Make a lot of sense especially in smaller boats where rod storage is tough.  With 3 and 5 colors plus some snap weights a lot of depths could be covered.  In line boards also save space and go well with snap weight setup.

  5. If you are heading to Dunkirk or Silver Creek just PM me and I’ll share info.  For anything over 7 colors I have been using Tuff Line Microlead and I run my 10 colors on 50 Saltists.  Makes a big difference using a high speed reel.

  6. I setup a 250 BR walleye copper on a Daiwa 57 LC5 this winter.  I can’t say how much backer in terms of feet were, but I felt it was more than adequate.  My thought was same as yours- hit 60 or so down with less line than a 10 color.  I played around with the walleye copper a few years ago in shorter lengths to possibly replace some lead core but wasn’t happy with the result.  If you have silver bass wad up that copper you can have quite an impressive mess.

  7. It’s been a while since I’ve fished Honeoye but likely still fishes the same.  Usually pretty much a night bite early trolling plugs shallow.  Should be a weed line to work in daytime.  Lots of bass and panfish.  I used to fish it in May, after Memorial Day it got too busy for me.  At night you had to watch for “stealth” trollers without lights and docks.  Was never big on numbers but you could usually find a few eyes.  Living in Rochester area it was a close option for eyes.  Being small info was always limited and guys were tight lipped.  

  8. Sometimes there are some good savings on “factory reconditioned” and “open box” electronics.  Advantage here is that you might have a warranty that used won’t have.  A few years ago I picked up a reconditioned Humminbird for about half price with 6 months warranty instead of a full year- the only thing I could find was the plastic cover had some sanding marks cleaning up a mark from a mold.  IMO used electronics can be risky unless you can see them working.

  9. I look at them several times a season-probably more for the probe rigger.  If I see anything I change it out.  I use Cannon terminators and clincher style which are both pretty troublefree.  It is better to be safe than sorry.  Normally I redo probe about twice a season.

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  10. The possession limit is the issue.  If you were staying near Northeast then you could fish Northeast in the morning then drop that catch at camp then trailer to Barcelona to fish NY in afternoon so you never exceeded each states daily limit with you.  Even then I don’t believe you can travel with more than two days limit.

  11. IMO if you were checked at the ramp in Northeast and you had two coolers of walleye that you would be under Pennsylvania regulations and limits without any consideration of N.Y. limits.  Suggest you check regulations as that scenario is likely covered-same would hold with bringing fish back from Canadian waters.  If the Pennsylvania limit is 6 walleyes then that is what will be allowed as you can’t designate New York fish or Pennsylvania fish.

  12. I use Salty S17’s in my musky trolling setup and they work well in that application.  One downside in a salmon trolling setup is on many boats the rod butt will stick out into the deck space so you have to be careful not to knock rod loose from holder going to other rods.  As hard as dipseys pull I prefer a full length metal tube rod holder for dipseys.  With the salties you might want to have a “safety” cord on your rod just in case rod gets a hard hit or knocked around.

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  13. In the eighties we ran a lot of lightweight spoons like evil eyes and Sutton’s.  I kept my boat in Braddocks then and one Fall Derby after a hot tough day on the lake we stopped at WYC for a cold one.  A couple guys were there who were fishing some prototype spoons that outfished us 2 to 1.  Turned out they were NK’s.  Back then information was tough to come by as most guys were tight lipped.  When the NK 28’s became available the tackle stores kept them under the counter and you had to ask for them- they were wrapped in paper.  They really did change the spoon game as they made heavier blanks popular and they had better plating and components than others.  They set a new standard for trolling spoons.  Many of today spoons have some NK similarities.  The fact they are still being made shows it was a good design.


  14. I don’t know what would be involved in adding a 6 amp alternator to a 9.9 Mercury.  I can tell you that a 6 amp alternator will not keep up with multiple riggers, ff, gps, wash down and vhf.  I have a 9.9 Yamaha with 6 amp rated and I figure I might get 2 amps at trolling speed with my 25 footer.  I have to charge batteries between trips.  When I update kickers I’ll look for at least 12 amp rating in hopes I might get 5 or 6 amps trolling.

  15. Shakespeare has an antenna selector on it’s website that explains differences in the antenna offerings.  Pretty detailed and helps explain price differences.

  16. Leadcore is measured by color with each color being 30 feet- so when you let out 10 colors you are letting out 300 ft of line.  Spooling up 5 colors is 150 ft of line.  Normally you let out all the leadcore and use backing to attach to a board as the leadcore can be damaged in a release.  Rule of thumb for depth is roughly 5 feet of depth per color- 10 colors 45 to 50 down and a 5 color 20 to 25 depending on lure and speed of troll.  

  17. Think you are wise to plan on replacing major components.  Would be a good idea to pull out drive when you first get started and some engine fasteners.  That should give you an idea what you might be dealing with from possible salt issues.  For a few years I had an I/O that had seen some salt.  Everything you touched crumbled or broke mechanically or in electrical system.  I trying fixing it until I had enough and sent it down the road.   

  18. I think you will be happy with the Proline 241 Hull.  They used that same design for quite a few years on several models.  My 25 Walk is very similar.  One thing I found out was Proline dimensions only reflect the fiberglass length and don’t include a bracket. So with my outboard and bracket I pay for a 28 footer in storage.  You’ll also want a plexiglass windshield to go between hardtop and windshield otherwise you’ll get wet.  Real happy with my Proline.  Regarding the PO comment on Camaro, I’d look closely at carb, starter, alternator and ignition to be sure they were correct marine components and not auto pieces.  Enclosed I/O require spark suppression and are different.  Best wishes with the project.

  19. If I was limited to two lead core lines, it would be a five and a ten color.  Five color pretty effective early in the year and fishes well off boards.  For the ten I find that a high speed reel like a Saltist 50 and Tuff Line Microlead make fishing a long line easier.  The microlead takes less spool space so allows for more backer.  Having some snap weights and a lot of different depths could be covered with two setups.  Having the right reel makes a lot of difference in “liking” fishing lead core and wire.

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  20. Original post references Volvo D4 which shows to be a common rail design likely mid to late 2000’s vintage.  This would be an electronically controlled system.  If memory serves me right, we started seeing electronic controls in the mid to late 90’s.  Most of the mechanical systems were gone by 2010.  Emissions drove much of the changes.  The electronics are generally trouble free, but when you do have an issue proper diagnostics are critical.  Not a good idea to just start swapping parts.  I think Mr. Powell is making a good choice in checking service options before purchase.  Another person to contact that might have some insight on Volvo diesel service would be Fran Brobeil at Brobeil Marine.  I know he is Volvo dealer for gas engines and might know where one could get help with diesels.

  21. Agree that basic designs are similar.   Where the OEM’s make it more difficult is in the diagnostics and there is no standard in cabling and software.  When I retired about 5 years ago some of our road techs were carrying 2 laptops in their trucks for various vendors.  I was the guy who bought this stuff and negotiated with the vendors for multiple locations so I know how it works.  If I were looking for Volvo service in WNY, I would talk to Vantage in Batavia or a Volvo truck dealer to see what their thoughts were on marine engine service.  

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