Capt Vince Pierleoni

10 minutes ago, stoneam2006 said:

Can anyone tell me what these are?

 

And I also have a magda pro 30 that's not working properly lw does not go back and forth as should and a tidewater that the lc is not working if anyone is interested

 

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In the upper left is a common hammer,LOL. The devices are a weight retrievers from 80's or 90's. There is a slotted wheel inside that the downrigger cable has to be threaded on the correct side of the wheel.

It is worn out. The steering cable can break if you don't change it and could be very dangerous if it happens at the wrong time.

On 4/17/2017 at 10:53 AM, Yankee Troller said:

If you're looking at sunglasses in the Rochester area check out Webster Eye Care. Tell them I sent ya. He often gives out some nice deals. I get my Costa's from him.

Good suggestion Rick. They have supported Lake O events in the past and Mike has been a very good guy to my brother who goes there. 

LONG LIVE THE KING!  One of the good things about this Springs weather is the Great Lakes are getting a good load of fertilizer.

Great thread guys. One things for sure, "Trophyism" is sucking the fun out of deer hunting for many of the young guys. I had a mother of a twentysomething deer hunter tell me last November that her son was suffering from anxiety and depression. The reason? All the social media posts he had to endure daily, showing others with giant deer while he saw very little. Definitely something to think about.

BTW  BSmaster, my 25 yr old daughter reminded me at Easter dinner than I never let her or her younger brother watch Bambi. Neither of them hunt but they both understand it's necessity and can certainly put a dent in jerky.

Good luck on the water.  

4 hours ago, Absolut40 said:

Costa Del Mar Sunglasses

I tried finding the old thread on sunglasses but couldn't. I'm leaning towards dropping the coin on these but need some input on lens color and type.Any input is appreciated.Thanks.

The website is extremely user friendly and helps greatly in choosing frames and lenses. For Lady O trolling I strongly suggest Blue mirror lenses. I'm a glass guy, but Nick prefers plastic for lighter weight. They now offer lenses specifically for low light and spot fishing, but for day to day open water glare the Blue mirror is the way to go. 

Drove down to bootleggers marina today and saw they had a pair of pens in the parking lot. No one I talked with at olcott on Saturday had any info on the wilson project. Anyone know the work date or anything on volunteer info?


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All I could find out is Olcott delivery is expected Monday April 17. The Wilson delivery is expected next week as well.


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2 hours ago, KilliansRed said:

Any Info on the pens? I Plan on being in olcott tomorrow to attach the nets and do maintenance. 

Thanks for pitching in. There should be some info regarding the Wilson pens available tmw in Olcott.

Those are probably the toughest warm water fish to make look real--nice job Paul. 

Good advice above. For your rig get a deep cycle for the trolling motor and a dual purpose for the starting/accessories. In my experience the regular flooded dual purpose batteries offered by Napa have held up well. I had one last 8 yrs. Interstate also has earned lots of business with no hassle warranty policy. The key, as HB2 stated is keep them charged and check water levels regularly, at least a couple times a year. Always make sure the batteries are fully charged before long periods of storage. 

I can share my experience with them. I have a set of 5's for one of the trailer boats. They have been absolutely trouble free, are very fast and have the finest auto stops in the industry.  I have not linked them to my Humminbirds but I think it would work fine. 

Run them off the main battery. They are very powerful and draw juice. 

Prayers sent for your fathers recovery.

Are the wilson pens being assembled at oak orchard as well?


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The Oak pens are separate. The Wilson pen project is an offshoot of the Olcott/Niagara river projects, as region 9 is only allotted so many total pen fish. The Olcott pens are being put together Sat April 8 at the Newfane town marina. When I know more about the Wilson pens I will update here. Thx.


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1 hour ago, bandrus1 said:

I do have a transom mount transducer right now and putting more holes in the boat doesn't seems good

 

I hope it does not mess with my fish hawk guess I will have to wait and see

 

 

I think it was a display model is my guess

You could mount a transducer mounting block with 3m caulk without putting any holes in transom. 

15 hours ago, bandrus1 said:

Will I have any issue on a 19.5 foot aluminum rig? Is the standard issue transducer going to be fine?

Unless you have existing holes you can use for transom mount transducer, I favor a transom mounting block. This way if any adjustments are made you can move it around easily on the plastic block. 

The only issue I could think of with that units stock transducer is the 83hrz MAY cause some interference with a Fish Hawk transducer. When I ran that model it was with the 50/200 Airmar.  That is a great price on that unit.  

Excellent unit, used one on the 24 fter. I did run it on an Airmar transducer though.

It seems like yesterday, Jerry and Tommy  walking the streets of Olcott during Pro-Am week in their matching camo pants( mid to late 80's).

We will get there as soon as we can after the charter.  

The answer is, the cormorant should never have become a "federally protected bird."  This needs to change asap.

Good points Tom. I have felt for a long time that the "sharpshooter" cormorants are a huge factor in predation of the young Steelhead. There is no species in our system that feeds higher in the column early in life than the Steelhead and Rainbows. They are easy pickings for the death birds. Special consideration as to where and when the Salmon and Steelhead are released is necessary--whether direct stocked or released from a pen. Often Salmonoids will remain huddled up in, or near the harbor and be decimated by birds.

Another factor is the timing of plants/releases. Yearling Steelhead are voracious. If they are planted the same day or the day after the fingerling Chinook are released you will lose a considerable amount to the Steelhead. Also opportunistic anglers(bucket sitters) will often purposely fish for the 8"-10" trout because its an every cast proposition. Our marina does an excellent job shooing them out of stocking site and informing them that they were just stocked and not legal.

All in all it takes lots of extra effort to insure better survival of all the species, both fingerliing and yearling. Last Spring we purposely released the Steelhead pen when there were few Cormorants around the harbor and the water was a bit stained. All of the little thing s can add up big and I certainly appreciate everyone who helps out with the pens and deliveries up and down the lakeshore. 

4 hours ago, dmd113 said:

It amazes me how people scream for tax cuts & less government until it effects their own interests. I'm quite sure those on public assistance don't want to get their freebies taken away either. Illegals don't want free health care discontinued. Arrested Drug addicts don't want outpatient rehabs that keep them out of jail defunded either. My point is cuts need to be made.& Spending has to be reigned in or the debt will grow. We need to hold leaders accountable for appropriately spending the $ raised with revenue generated by the fishing & hunting sales,licensing, charters, dock fees, hotels, tackle sales... etc goes back to propagate that industry. NYS pays some of the highest tax rates in the country & is one of the biggest offenders of fiscal irresponsibility. The problem isn't always the misguided intentions of projects needed it's the siphoning & diverting of the $ on the way to these projects. 

AMEN!      When they restructured the online/DECALS license issuing system I wanted info inputted as to where and what species were fished for. Did not happen. I feel the understanding of the financials of this fishery coulld be much better understood by NY government. 

Lots of history there. Could you imagine if those spoons could talk?  I don't know how you came by them, but If I had to guess the angler who accrued them fished from Sodus to Oak Orchard mostly, and had some connection or time spent on the fingers as well.

The Alpena Diamonds and Jensen Flutter spoons as well as the Tamiron spoons all came with welded rings stock OEM.  Not only because the Chinook you hooked back in that era (mid 70's--early 80's) may be the only one of the day(or week), but also because top quality split rings were hard to come by.   

8 hours ago, ut_falcon said:

Good read on the issues at hand guys.  We are in uncharted territory with two brutal back to back winters, we haven't seen that amount of ice cover on the lake since the introduction of the pacifics, so it makes sense there would be some weird repercussions.  I believe these will be temporary changes, hopefully just a blip in the long run.  We haven't been stocking the same levels of lake trout as Michigan and I think that's something to be thankful for. I'd argue that we've reduced the phosphorus levels in Lake Ontario too much as a result of the phosphorus controls put in place to bring the lake to a pre-industrialized level, combine that with the zebras and its reducing the lakes carrying capacity too much.

 

 

I look to you guys from NY with a lot of respect in what's been done for the lake fishery, you have the stocking priorities on the right species and we've benefited from that in Canada.  The politics in Ontario have warped things in the wrong direction in my opinion, we've devoted way too much of our resources to Lake Trout, Atlantic Salmon and now Deep Water Cisco restoration.  I'd be fine with supporting a background level of these species but in Ontario we have 65% of our L.O. hatchery capacity devoted to those three species, again it’s way out of wack. To give you an idea, here is a statement taken from the Stocking Strategy for the Canadian Waters of Lake Ontario - https://www.ofah.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Lake-Ontario-stocking-plan-2016.pdf

 

 

 

“Native Species Restoration is the first priority of this Strategy. OMNRF will continue stocking native species to support fish community restoration under the direction of specific plans for species such as Atlantic Salmon, Lake Trout, Deepwater Cisco and Walleye, American eel and Lake Sturgeon.”

 

 

 

As we all share the lake it’s important to know this is the guiding priority for at least the Canadian side of the lake.  They also state that the sport fishery will be maintained but it’s not the primary concern of the stocking program, this seems backwards to me.  Not be completely negative as there have been some positive changes in the last few years but there’s still a long way to go.  I believe the fishery should be managed to provide the biggest return to the most amount of people, not just one or two special interest groups.

 

 

 

But back to the rainbow situation, the numbers are down big time on the north shore as well, I did a couple trips to the blue zone last year and numbers were way down compared to 2-3 years ago.  As King Davy mentioned the spring run on the ganaraska was down from an observed 8700 fish in 2013 to only 4000 last year. Very few fish around in the rivers this fall but that could be due to the lower water levels.  The other great lakes don't seem to be having the same die off of rainbow that Lake Ontario is having.

 

 

 

Here is an older report on lake Superior alewife growth rates but it has lake Ontario average growth rates as well (http://www.reabic.net/publ/Bronte_et al_1991.pdf)  I was surprised to see how fast an alewife can grow, after hatching they grow to an average size of 3.5" by the fall and a 1 year old fish is on average 5.5".  Two "missing" or low year classes would mean that the vast majority of alewife in the lake were 6-7", difficult for a smaller rainbow to eat and digest, higher thiaminase levels? did eating larger sized alewife contribute to the higher mortality rate of the last few years?  There was also a surplus of an extra 360,000 steelhead stocked in 2010 & 2012 which seems to track the high returns to the ganaraska river, something to think about anyway.

 

We always enjoy your contributions UT. We are well aware of the priorities flying in the face of the angling public here in the States as well. Same type of initiatives. I know Ontario province has a history of financial stakes in commercial netting so the Sport fishery that I know so many over there covet should never be taken for granted.

Davy, I'm glad you found a home in the fly fishing community. Being condescending to a very hard working volunteer will get us nowhere. He is well liked and respected by many members of the DEC just as you are. You cannot deny that many of your trib exclusive fly fishing peers have disdain for Chinooks just because of the dregs of society they attract. I fish river Kings but from a boat I realize it isnt as awful as watching some of the circus that you do. From my vantage point our biggest problem is when the laws are enforced the local judges do not treat it as real crime. I'm sure if we could attach the true dollar value of each fish--even a spawned out Chinook, the crimes could be considered felonies because they are stealing from us all. To top it off, new generations of anglers learn to disrespect trib trout and salmon from these criminals. Most of the worst ones are not anglers or hunters in any way, in fact they now stake out tiny trout tribs and pillage them in the middle of a winter night. These violations have more to do with the state of our country than the Chinook Salmon running a river. I would support a ban on egg sacs even though we sometimes use them on the Niagara but I believe Sk8 man is correct, the big market is in human consumption of the eggs, and some of the criminals are not even legally in this country. The fastest way to save thousands of trout in the tribs would be for us all to find a way that the violations and downright felonious activities are truly punished and enforced. We ALL want that.

As for the Steelhead issue regarding their diet, perhaps some Lake fishermen should have been included in the meeting you hosted. I saw the notes and yes, it does seem that a whole lot of blame was sent towards lake fishermen. Remember, it can work both ways. There's lots of blame that could sent towards trib anglers but lets be productive for a few minutes. I know that they are not as desired to fly fishermen as the Washington Strain Steelhead, but it appears domestic Rainbows are much less affected by the issue. I can tell you they will hang out where the gobies are, and that is very rarely the case with Washington Strain Steelhead. I feel that the intense winters that caused havoc in the system created some extremely unusual scenarios in the lake. Never have I seen young Cohos behave the way they did--not only the size of the baits they were attacking but WHERE they were found in early Spring. We did not have anywhere near the aquatic insects available and almost no emerald shiners. The good news is the emeralds began to bounce back and I would expect that this storm is just a blip in a very warm winter and emeralds and insects should be back in normal numbers. Both of these are critical and highly sought after to young Steelhead and Coho. Lets hope that the Steelhead situation was an anomaly and the system stops losing fish.

 

Just now, stoneam2006 said:

Ok...now my plan is maybe 8 rods in the boat on a givin day hoping to run 6 at a time. Plan is to have extra reels on board to be able to change out if other set ups are running better.

2 dipsy
2 rigger
2 planner
2 extra

Now as far as that goes say you were going to spook 10 reels for the first time what would you be spooling them with. Looking at convector reels. Is there a certain size I should lean more toward. I'd like to be able to catch everything on everything as I'm just starting out and can't spend crazy amt.

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While I would prefer 20 size for walleye, I would buy the 30 size to be able to do all what you are trying to do with a minimum of gear. Remember to back drags off every time you are done fishing so they don't "set up."