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The surface speed issue stopped me from a purchase . Good product and nice people but they blew the intro on the X4D IMHO . I think it never pays to jump on a new product to soon .

The replacment motors fit the big jons

The Cisco look like the same motor but the price is more friendly and the motors have a locking ring on the drive shaft and a super sealed wrap on the motor body . Made in USA .

Chase you are welcome to come aboard anytime and crank in my long coppers and a 150 ft of line and double keel boards . Don't  laugh but when you get my age you look for any break you can get .

The Cisco motors are twice the size of the big jons. Plus there is ZERO plastic anywhere on the Cisco's, all cnc machined aircraft aluminum.

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Hey Tim bought the Cisco motors on your advice guess what they are the same size as the BigJon pro motors but they do have a lower gear ratio and cost a bit less. With the Big Jon price increases the Cisco product is competitive at the moment .

BJ just had a major price increase so much so that Cisco products are competitive price wise.

 I too have a 40 gallon onboard tank, and the 2nd year I owned it, even though  I stabilized it, topped it off with new gas, and  even put stabilizer in every time I put gas in the year before it ended up costing me $1200.00  to rebuild the carbs and get the tank cleaned out the first time I took it out.  So now at the end of the season  before I put mine away I drain the gas out of it, put a new filter in, and it sits empty until spring when I refill it with non-ethanol.  I rigged an old 12 volt Hot Rod electric fuel pump, bought the motor end of the fuel line tap,  plug them together, and pump the old fuel into my pickup. The last thing I want to do is worry about rotten gas in my tank.

X2 I do the same thing works great.

ok, so if fuel goes bad in 3 weeks, why does everyone top off the fuel tank for winter storage? 7 months later...

How true !

At least three feet from the antenna and use a swr  meter and shorten your cable to get max output .

To funny did you get your cable ?

I have a sub troll and it treats me well I can't complain it is an older unit but it works.  I can't drop the $$$ they want for a fish hawk, my next one if I need to replace it might be the Smart Troll unit they seem to work and are a bit cheaper than the fish hawk.

I totally agree Fish Hawk always was pricey but generally good product I fished a 800 for years I think I paid $600 for it in the eighties . I like the fact that the Sub Troll is a local product not enough of that happening today.

Thanks for the reply got a chance for a used one that is in that price range .

What would be a good price on a used sub troll unit in good working order or is it better to purchase new in the box. Thanks for any info or opinions.

That's not actually even remotely close to being true, but whatever.

X2

What's your preference paddles or spin doctors 8" or 11" twinkies or clean . Whole bait or strips,Rockets ? I have my go to sets just wondering what most prefer.

Thanks Jimmy have a safe and productive season.

We run 20 lb Mason wire for most of the season on the East end out of Oswego until the fleas come and then we switch to 30 lb. A regular Lure Jenson diver set on a 2.5 setting will dive almost 2/1 up to about 160ft of wire out. We usually get 100ft down with 280 ft out. Our 600lc  reels are filled to the top! Be advised that we do not run Mag divers on 20 lb wire. We also strip off the pigtails and retie when necessary so that we don't break off.

 There will be days when the currents down below can be reel bad and you just can't get the depth no matter what you do. You will see that in one direction the angle on the wires are really digging while going in the other direction they are not.

We also run double divers with the 20lb on the inside and the 30 lb on the outside.

Thanks cap ace that's the info I was looking for got two 600lc and rollers ready to go. I don't like or use mag divers but should I nix the mag rings on the standard divers with your numbers it looks like I don't need them ?

I keep a spool with #250 power pro on the boat and change up my centre BJ Brute with it when fishing deep with a #20lb Shark it makes fishing that weight much easier and less prone to snapping off . Other then that I see no real advantage like Yankee stated no advantage fishing shallow with the #250 anyways can't speak about the lighter braid ? As to strength it is tough  but don't knick it the stuff is not forgiving.

Tread softly gentlemen they have elephant ears and can hear through 6 feet of concrete a mile away.

Not new to wire and not a big fan of mag divers . Looking to fish mag glow spoons deep and outside I have heard of Oswego fishers using standard divers with mag rings and 20lb wire with some success with this approach. Adding a couple more wires to the arsenal is no big deal to me but the one drawback is my wife has learned to count.

That's alright.

Just to make it a bit more complicated I think you will agree that 30# test is 50% stronger than 20# test, while 20 #test is 33.3% weaker than 30# test.

To funny guys but I am still waiting to hear from somebody that actually runs or has run 20 lb and get their take on it . Thanks

I run 30LB wire on my divers my question is I have two 20LB set-ups rigged this year how much more depth can I expect to achieve over the 30LB . I run big rings on my divers. Maybe some deep water East end fishers could chime in here. looking for info from guys that have or are running 20lb. Thanks in advance.

HP I have three transducers mounted on the transom already and none of them work well at speed . Don't want to drill a hole through the hull that's why I inquired about the Airmar 79 and lakebound and kayaker have had good results with the in hull 79 I am going that route . Thanks for the replys .

Thanks for the info just what I was looking for . Nice to hear the 79 Airmar works well .

Thanks Nick that's what I was looking for. Glass hull ?

To chicken to drill a hole in the hull. the P79 has 600 watts and 800 to 1200 ft depth range plenty enough for Lake Ont.