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Brown Trout must love them some salt licks!

You got that right!

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So now your telling me that zebra mussel's have not cleared the water of Seneca lake, but in fact its become more "greener"? We all know during summer the lakes " turn" and become greener. But it has never been clearer than it is now.

Most of us who have and do spend their life around the lakes of NY, especially Seneca are well aware of the studies from Hobart. It wasn't your topic that got me going, but how fast we went from a conversation about salt, to organic grapes... I understand the salinity may be gaining, but I would bet salting the roads is a better reason than salt mines. Then they drag in the grape industry...

You are right, if I'm to believe what I also have heard and read, but these other fellas tried to hijack it.. And turn it into something other than the truth!

Nice of you to add a profile picture reelwork...

Fact Sheet

What’s in Your Wine?



People like to think of wine as “just grapes.†But there is a lot more in your wine glass than fermented grapes. For example, yeast is added to aid fermentation. Salts, sugars and acids may be added to control and direct the fermentation process. When we compare the differences between organically-certified wine, wine made with organic grapes, and conventionally-made wine, we need to look at how many chemicals are added and where they come from.

Small amounts of compounds called sulfites are present in all wine, whether it is certified organic, made with organic grapes, or conventionally made. Sulfites, used as a preservative, can be added to all wines at the discretion of the winemaker, even in very small amounts to organically-certified wine.

When making conventional wine, literally hundreds of chemicals can be and are used, not just added sulfites. Some conventional winemakers add sugar, oak chips and flavor agents. On the other hand, (or in the other glass) wine that is certified organic is allowed to have about 70 chemicals added to it, including organic and naturally occurring acids, salts, and enzymes. However, unlike in conventionally produced wine, any chemical used in a certified-organic wine cannot have an adverse effect on the environment or on human health as defined by the Food and Drug Administration. Source: The National List of Allowed and Prohibited Substances, issued by the National Organic Program (NOP).

Out in the fields where wine grapes are grown, the differences between organic and conventional wine are a lot easier to explain. Conventionally-grown wine grapes can be treated with synthetic pesticides, fungicides and insecticides. Organically-grown grapes cannot be treated with any synthetic pesticides, fungicides, insecticides, or fertilizers.

According to the California Department of Pesticides Regulation, in 2010 25 million pounds of pesticides were applied to conventionally-grown wine grapes in California. That was a 19% pesticide increase from the year before. Conventionally-grown wine grapes received more pesticides than almonds, table grapes, tomatoes or strawberries. Insecticide use increased by 34% and acreage treated with sulfur, a fungicide, increased by 21%.

The Pesticide Action Network (PAN) classifies about a million pounds of those chemicals dispersed on wine grapes as “bad actors,†meaning that they are known or probable causes of cancer, are neurotoxins, or groundwater contaminants.

Roundup, a herbicide, is widely used on wine grapes in conventional farming. A recent studyhas linked Roundup with health dangers, including Parkinson’s, infertility, and cancers.

In 2010, more than 400,000 pounds of Roundup (known as Glyphosate to the trade) were applied to wine grapes.



What Levels of Pesticides Actually End Up in Your Wine?

There have been several studies that have that examined pesticide persistence in wine grapes. According to pesticide studies most often cited by scientists, fungicides, when applied in the fields, tend to dissipate in the grapes and are present in varying levels in finished wine. While pesticides such as mepanipyrim, fluazinam and chlorpyrifos were not detected in the finished wine, pesticides such as myclobutanil and tetraconazole persisted during the winemaking process. Some pesticides such as azoxystrobin, dimethoate, pyrimethanil were extremely persistent. In fact, their residual concentrations in bottled wine were similar to initial concentrations on the grapes.

Is the Pesticide Dosage Harmful in Conventionally-Made Wine?

Researchers try to assess pesticide exposure by means of two measurements. One is called the No Observed Effect Level (NOEL), which is the highest dose of a chemical that does not provide an adverse biological effect. The other is called the RfD or reference dose. RfD, which is derived from NOEL, is an estimate of the daily lifetime exposure of a chemical on the human population, including sensitive subgroups, which is not likely to cause harm. The EPA uses RfD as a reference point from which to gauge the potential effects of chemicals at varying doses.

According to studies in 1996 and 2000, out of 12 fungicides commonly used on wine grapes, six of them may persist in the finished wine in amounts that exceed the safe reference dose. Among the nine pesticides commonly used on wine grapes, five of them exceeded the safe reference dose, and three exceeded both the safe reference dose and the NOEL. Among the eight remaining pesticides most commonly used on wine grapes, three exceeded the safe reference dose determined by researchers.

A study found that European wines were also systematically contaminated with pesticide residues. Decanter magazine reported that ninety percent of French wine samples contained traces of at least one pesticide. It’s important to note that pesticide levels detected in the wines tested were “below threshold levels of toxicity,†the European researchers said. But they also pointed out that “we should not forget that it is not the consumers who are most impacted by this, but the vineyard workers who are applying the treatments.â€

No pesticides are ever added to certified organic wine grapes.

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I quit reading when the " study " you refered to classified sugar, sulfiets, oak chips and flavoring as " chemicals"

"Flash words " don't do it for me. Didn't take me long to see where they were going and facts were not involved. Unless stretching the truth suits you? And by the way... Referencing studies done prior to the banned use of certain products today is also not sitting well here!

I knew somehow " save Seneca lake " had a hand in this post...

I actually did a study on this..... The runoff from the roads is not to blame, Seneca lake is naturally salty because of the salt within the bedrock strata. Of course the Salt plants are leeching into the water and that is one of the problems. The biggest problem in Seneca is from runoff from the agricultural business, the excess phosphates and nitrates from fertilizer are being put into the lake causing more and more algal blooms.  which in-turn make the lake eutrophic,  this can be avoided by adding more riparian buffer zones along the Tributaries.  It is sad to see what man can do to a natural resource in only 200 years.

Could you please explain to me how the salt plants leech into the lake? And also, what background do you have to justify what your claiming!

Here's what I'm seeing. 3 people who have no profile pictures and a hand full of posts, all blaming this or that for " destroying" Seneca. I haven't bothered to check your other posts, but I can and might. Beyond all that if you say, as the first fella did and I quote, " I spoke to Hobart ( lower case letters) and" you know the rest... Well, who was it you spoke to? Come on now, we see nonsense for what it is here...

As for what frogger said, I wasn't aware of that till he posted it. I'd be curious what that's all about, but at the same time, sink holes are not uncommon and is there salt being mined in that area? That I don't know.

What about all the chemicals from the wineries and farms going into our Lake.

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Do you know specifically what chemicals they "spray" on grapes or farms? And what did that have to do with lake salinity, which is actually being studied?

I would have to wonder how much salting the roads during winter has an effect on the lake, before I'd think the salt mines are to blame. There is an awefull lot of salt used on all the roads around seneca as well as other lakes. Trouble with that theory is they don't study the other lakes like they do Seneca.I would bet they are all getting higher levels of salinity.

Going back tomorrow, but gotta work the weigh in at Watkins by 1:00. Hoping to get more of those 7lb rainbows but a big brown is what we will be after. Lakers just don't seem to be there...

We finished 11 for 13, maybe more cause I know some got missed. 7.14 laker 7.11 brown and 7.4 rainbow were our biggest. Mostly 5-7 lb silvers. Lost a real nice fish, really nice...

Thanks Jason for the information, I would suggest that if anyone has a serious interest in attending to reach out to Colin Morehouse or Jim Fluker. They are present during the derby down at either the weigh in at Geneva or the sign up location prior to at Lake street winery. I think from what's been said about this being a critical moment in time with this possibly ending, I wouldn't want anyone with good intentions of keeping it alive prevented from attending. Go right to the source if you have a strong interest! I for one want to hear what the deal is and what future plans are being discussed.

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I am hoping to meet with them both and Chris kanyon at some point during the derby. Jim Fluker and Collin are both aware were trying to make this work out. I've already met them from Sports o Rama and was hoping to get some media support this year.

Frogger, after reading your post again, you are right! If you have the time and motivation to go to Geneva, please look for chris Kanyon to have your voice heard in their publication. As far as Collin and Jim, let them know how you feel! By all means, if you have the time or you are in Geneva, tell them about how much support was generated here! Tell them how proud we all are to keep this event as is, but only better!

I missed your point at first read, but after a second read, you made a very good point!!

Thanks Jason very much for the offer hopefully I can take a "raincheck" on the offer for later on this season. My son Mark and I have fished this derby since he was a little kid as I know you and your dad did and we now have a brand new 9.8 kicker and it is all broken in now so we're really pumped for this one. Best of luck to you folks!

Yes, I know its last minute. And I hope we can get some time out this year together. Looking forward to that! I have lots I'd like to run past you for your opinion as well.

Good luck Les! Talk with you soon!

I'm going with you if you would like

I have a "first round" group of individuals for them to consider. Until the 15th of June, I can't invite anyone, because I was invited... The meetings are private, like the FLTA. But I will be sure to give you updates once the time comes.

with only two day left to register for the derby are we going to make the magic number the derby needs to have

I won't know till Saturday morning. Probably by 6 I would expect, you can be sure once I know, I will post it,.

great lakes lure maker I would like to thank you for the hard work you have already done .      keeping the information flowing has already improve the derby to me . I would like   to see you on the board if you are already not thanks again

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Thank you! I am not on the board, however I am one of a handfull of guys who are looking to be on the board and hope to provide some positive input, bring new blood in the form of sponsorship and find adequate staffing for weigh in locations that can keep updates current time.

I really appreciate all the input and good advise from the LOU community! I knew I would find what I was looking for from all the folks who are here for a common goal, and that is to improve fisheries everywhere we that we are a part of!

So I thank you all and look forward to hearing more from you in the coming months. I will have an update after the June 15th meeting. The best thing we all can do right now is be positive and help in any way...

I think I told you she was a keeper the first time I met her   Lets hope this is a "rig year" out there Jason.

Yes, you did. More than once I believe!

I'm geared for anything now, but you know I'm partial to rigs... I'm hoping they will shine.

I lost 5 regulars this year. I gained 1 but if you want to fish a trip with us, your welcome.

After fishing  previously with Jason and Theresa on Seneca my money would be on Theresa as well and I think she is the best female driver I've seen in all the boats I've been on.

Thanks les and john! I will be sure and pass the compliments on to her!

Les, you are right about her driving! She recently started using nav charts and "trails" on the chartplotter and now her "skinny water" driving is top knotch! Also, any woman that can handline a 5leader rig and put it back in on her own, is a keeper in my book!

Agreed

the national lake trout derby has been on Seneca lake along time . I think it should stay there. its time to pass the torch I believe to a group that will improve the derby . there been some awesome ideals said here on lou just my opinion

I've spent a lot of time at Sheldrake point on Cayuga. We had our own locker at Driftwood inn for our fishing gear. The same with the old Fred's place on hemlock rd on Seneca. Since the 70's it seems when one lake is hot, the other isn't. its been that way ever since I can remember.

As far as the Derby, it should stay at Seneca. Think of all the people who rent campsites, rv sites, motels and dock space. Now think about how much chaos you would cause by announcing the derby is going to move to Cayuga...thousands of people, most of them having a tradition of using the same location and logistics for years would now have to find other accommodations? No, that would be a bad move for the derby and all the businesses that depend on it.

Regarding "passing the torch". I believe there has been some excellent ideas put out here. I have had tons of people reach out to me to be sponsors, donars, and volunteers. I look forward to all the positive talk and advise from the vast knowledge of members of the LOU community. I'm not going to put names out there.. But some good people with fishing, particularly tournament fishing backgrounds have come forward to be considered new board and commity members for Sports-o-rama. I believe the input and knowledge they will offer to the group will be very positive. In the coming years, I believe you will see some very positive changes for the future of the National Lake Trout Derby!

Trash talking has begun.. I'm putting my money on Theresa...

Chime in on the derby site on FB. Show your support folks... And follow it for current derby results..

That's the whole problem I have with this.. Geneva is suppose to be the Lake Trout Capital Of The World and they want the Sports Orama to pay them to use their facilities ?? Come on that's a Joke!! They should want to support this derby it's part of the city's history... If Geneva wants to get rid of it and Watkins doesn't want to pick it up I think we as a group should present this derby to New York State and ask them to run it once a year as a way of trying to possibly save Sampson State Park .. They have Staff already working their , they have plenty of room for camping and a launch and a marina, plus plenty of room for a ceremony after.. If we could somehow figure out how to get more people to come there for the weekend and stay for tournament it's a win win...

Mike

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Could not have said that better...

Good to hear, thank you Les! 120 -160 bottom. Good luck Les!

Sk8tman, an 8" e chip and your flies was good to today...

Adding Sean, with Reel Hooked Up Charter. Thank you Sean.

Many Thanks to all who have stepped up to support the future of the National Lake Trout Derby!

Let's keep them coming, and remind everyone, online registration ends soon so if your planning to do it online, do it this weekend.

For current standing's during the derby, like and follow " National Lake Trout Derby On Seneca Lake" on Facebook.

Ok, so if I have this correct, in addition to Catherine Valley Outfitters and Iron Duke Flies we also have Reel Stories Charter, and Reel Dilemma Charter on board as potential replacements for the boat raffle and door prizes?

Looking good so far. Lets keep them coming. Thanks everyone.