Kingfisher06

Unjustly applying the term conspiracy, or racist, ___ phobe to people to discredit fair concerns is a common tactic used by folks who base their agendas on nothing more than emotions. Making a case that a 8" perch in the pail is pointless for food is disingenuous. If you believe the perch fishery is in danger and have a gang of like minded friends, then make up some jewelry and propose to each other that you'll abstain from fishing them. Start a FB page to promote your abstinence. Ask the local university to initiate some masters/PHd studies to fill the gap of understanding. Ask the DEC to focus a few surveys on your areas of concern and get some data to cumulate, which can then be bounced off university literature. All this anecdotal, emotional appeal does not help your case, period.

Yes, eutrophication of lakes happens naturally. Generally, natural eutrophication is a slow process and cyclical. Cultural eutrophication happens rather quickly and is quelled by changing surrounding land use practices in the watershed. If those nasty perch guys would stop pooping over their transom, scumbags...

There you go, send the pawns, I mean children to picket the wineries to use less fertilizer and chemicals...oh but the wineries are so good for the economy, its such a state treasure, its got to be those dirty, greedy, scamming perch guys.

Youre confused with what I said, but whatever, lol I think I've made my point here, some will not get it, some will disagree, and this horse is beat...

They are not following an issue, they are lobbying to outlaw something legal. I don't think it is a teacher's place to do that. School children are heavily influenced by teachers. They are vulnerable, it should be a study of two sides, unbiased and left at that. a lesson on civics and it's process. A classroom exercise. I've already said: show me some concrete peer reviewed studies that go beyond correlation, that show causation that hook and line commercial fishing is unsustainable in these waters and I will gladly concede that issue. I see the teacher signed in several times, post something, other than a teary eyed child holding an empty pail.

Each year NYSDEC does a Lake Ontario survey, mostly gill netting I believe. The eastern basin perch numbers are stable and doing their normal fluctuations. I don't know about Finger Lakes data. I truly believe this push to outlaw commercial hook and line is purely driven by emotions. It's absurd. Regulating based on emotions and selling that emotion through a child's voice is disingenuous at best.

I wouldn't say it was off the books. Harvey kept records of each purchase and you had to sign your name with each sale on his record sheet. You'd get a receipt and he had a duplicate. It's been a long time since I sold perch, things are coming back to me, sorry for the parceled out response Errabbit. I disagree Errabit, I don't think rallying students to lobby for a law change around a teacher's belief is Way Awesome. Should the process of participating in Govt be taught, of course, but this just stinks of manipulation.

Agreed that folks shouldn't break the law. I disagree that the level of hook and line fishing could fall under "tragedy of commons" theory. Now if there was netters, that theory could be applicable.

Alright, sorry, it's just odd to me that you are aware of such things, seemed like an assumption, that's all.

It is a privacy issue as well. It is really none of anyone's business why someone is doing what they do legally. If Warren Buffet wants to sell perch that's his own damn business. I couldn't agree more about the pathetic nature of someone on the dole complaining about tax woes or breaking the law, when in essence using the state as a strong man to reach in another's pocket. That is an entirely different issue then whats at hand. And you are assuming a lot making a statement about who you think is and is not on the dole.

Harvey would get inspected from time to time, it is not an under the table, unregulated situation. Name some instances of food poisoning from fried local perch. Good grief, you're reaching. Go have a tilapia burrito at Chipolte and call me in the morning...

You cannot regulate greed. If you give the state the chance though, they'll pick their winner and sway the market in their favor so the greed can go unchecked. The only thing that regulates greed is fear, fear of losing what you've hoarded and it's supply for more. For the right price the state can eliminate that fear. That's corruption and the essence of what I speak about. Don't appeal to the State, because eventually they will come to get your valued aspects of liberty too.

Errabbit it was by the pound as well. I disagree Hookedup. I still keep all the perch I can for the freezer. I love having a nice stockpile of filets for visiting family etc. Priorities change, monetary situations change. Perch are worth the most per lb this year then I have ever seen. Didn't change my mind to keep the freezer as full as I can. When you have a school teacher guiding a bunch of students in a direction you don't agree with, well it's important or more so to speak up. This is a representative of the state paid by tax dollars who is pushing a bull crap agenda and proselytizing his message with youngster's voices. It's pitiful.

I haven't sold a perch in nearly decade, but use to have good discussions with the buyer down in Chaumont, Harvey. I don't think Harvey still buys, but has been replaced in Chaumont. The selling is easy. The buyer sets the rules based upon his margins, the supply and what his wholesaler is demanding from what I can remember. I would bring him a pail of fish, usually 7-9" were one price and you'd get more for 9"+ fish. The fish were sold whole and he'd pack them in totes from what I can remember. He did have a descaler in the shop but I rarely saw it used. Most of what he sold was just as he bought it and then shipped to someone else for process and distribution. HIs wife, who was an artist with a filet knife, would filet a lot for local restaurant sale, but that was a small percentage I'm sure. Now the rules for the buyer, not sure, but it all seemed laissaz faire from my perspective. I'm sure the regs are similar to what restaurants must abide by, you know, storage temps, etc...

Yes, the state is wonderful at simplifying matters, bravo. Safe act, common core, subsidies galore, Real simple. Or catch a perch, sell a perch, with the option of eating it yourself. Hmmm

I'm not scheming to create new laws, the new laws are the threat

There is no public service in providing fresh fish to restaurants sk8Man? you are scrapping the barrel. Each individual is a private enterprise when in business for them self, get a grip. Bull crap, there are no tighter controls concerning limits for sport fisherman or charters, you are a bullcrap artist. Let us all know when you have solidified science, peer reviewed reports that state hook and line selling of fish is the problem, otherwise stop blowing smoke up our butts.

That's the point, there is no scientific evidence of perch declines due to hook and line angling. I dont have the cash or force to make these guys sit in front of a psychiatrist and cry out their symptoms that lead to these conclusions. What you say is likely, the environment is changing due to food webs being more dynamic, but I will also add, humans are more impatient and wish for instant success and find easy blame rather than hard work that takes lots of time.

Here's the kicker. You want to turn perch into the equivalency of deer ownership. Why would you? Something you cannot sell, but own, but not really because you cannot sell them. Why not? Why can't you sell your deer? It's yours right? No, apparently,it's still state owned in your freezer. So obviously, if you hit a deer with your car the state should own up and pay for the damages right? It's theirs right? Nope, the state is in cahoots with big insurance to extract money from your pocket as a hidden tax. Crony capitalism. You can be searched by DEC with zero probable cause if you look like a deer hunter. The NYSDEC can invade your privacy whenever you fart a wildgame aroma. Wake up.

You can't sell j-9 sized perch here try again, nobody would buy them...lake erie is an entirely different fishery.

The nature of the topic is outlawing a way of life for many people, that is your extreme premise. The IRS already owns you and me, lets not jest. That occurred in 1913 with the Federal Reserve Act. Your problem is emotional, not ecological.

This is all just the silent beat down of a man's pride to make a living, a collective effort to rob jobs, crush quality of food in restaurants, and get the next generation to join your sorority. You are winning, no doubt. Keep on beating us up with emotional knee jerk laws with zero scientific backing. Hopefully some of those high school kids read this thread and get their first education. Their first stimulus to question bullcrap and have a filter for it.

Hey Frogger, North Country life isn't a fairy tale.

You tread lightly with your pirate stories of 200 lb catches. Sk8man's logic of public resources remaining public resources while in one's possession is the side you are on. Get a grip.

This post is exactly what I'm talking about..this is an honest man, who's got pride enough to get cans before his state welfare check, I've been there, I've chosen pride too. Go ahead and rob us us of another avenue, but don't ever complain about nys taxes or entitlement or corruption again in your life if you wish to erase this avenue.