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Interesting, I just checked that out they seem to have found a way to get close enough to whack these critters this is above NY state pay grade the migratory bird treaty of 1918 protects these birds our federal government needs to list them as a hunt able species. That would overrule any NY state interference time to write our congressmen got to go clean my 870

After observing these flying fish thieves for many years , I don’t believe a hunting season will do much to reduce the population. They are very wary and give boats and people a wide berth , usually well out of shotgun range The charter captains out of Henderson Harbor had the right idea in the 80’s. They went out early one morning and surrounded Little Galoo island , which was a very crowded rookery for the critters they lit them up and killed hundreds of the critters , unfortunately, they paid the price, some got heavy fines and some got jail time . But they helped bring the problem to the attention of the state the DEC , for a number of years , sprayed the eggs in the nest with cooking oil , so they wouldn’t hatch I believe some tree hugging outfit sued to stop the practice. It needs to be started up again

The Thiamine deficiency gene would be passed down to future generations of salmon. Maybe diluted, but still there. The gene to spawn at 3-4 years instead of 2,would also be passed down. Introducing new pacific salmon stocks would refresh the gene pool while maintaining some of the desired genetics.

My choice would be to buy several thousand fertilized eggs from a pacific salmon hatchery and stock them in Lake O along with the natural reproduction that would refresh the gene pool

😝 The Pacific Salmon program started in the late 1970’s to help reduce the alewife ( mooneye) population in Lake Ontario. The fishery that developed was a huge bonus It was always a put and take program the fish that were introduced in the 70’s were first generation salmonids that spent their adult life at sea and returned to their streams that hatched them to spawn Over the years these landlocked fish have changed genetically. When I first started fishing Lake O in the late 70’s the hot lure was a luhr Jensen dodger and a squid ( hoochie) I asked a biologist why they would hit a squid , which there are none of , in Lake O He explained the salmon had a residual memorie of what was good to eat. Now hoochies are very seldom used I have tried them several times in the recent past with no takers I guess what Im trying to say is , the fish have evolved and the only way to get back to the giants we used to catch is to introduce new pacific salmon stocks in their first generation

The 80’s , 90’s and early 2000’s we tried to count the number of boats in Mexico bay before dawn from our camp on Sandy Pond. The nav lights were in the 100’s there were far more fisherpeople on the water back then the line for the launch at Mexico Point was nearly back to Rt 104 most mornings and I got turned away because the parking lot was full i don’t believe the cormorants are a serious threat to mature alewives because of the depth they usually haunt. Spring , when they are spawning may be a different story the kings ( at least many of them ) are returning to spawn early ( not 3 and 4 years) that has got to have a lot to do with the size New genetics from pacific salmon are needed to get the size back

Thanks for correcting me LL iI always thought the St Lawrence River emptied into the Gulf of St Lawrence and that emptied into the Atlantic through the Cabot strait Guess I need more geography class You seem to be the expert

No, salmon cannot naturally run from the St. Lawrence River through the Hudson River because there is no direct, continuous natural flowing waterway connecting the two river systems. [1] Atlantic salmon do not currently run the Hudson River.

I genuinely hope that no one took my post seriously. It was meant as a joke I was trying to lighten the load. I know nothing about the western sandy creek. I grew up near the eastern sandy creek and Sandy pond. I have over the years caught a few AS while fishing for kings They are a beautiful fish I hope that a way can be found to restore a viable population , but so much has changed in both lake o and its tributaries I don’t hold a lot of optimism

Here’s an idea : we could grab some icebergs from the Atlantic. Tow them up the Hudson and over the Erie Canal to Sandy. The melting berg would cool the water. That’s as feasible as anything else I’ve heard. We should contact gov Hokie. That sounds like an idea she could get her false teeth into lmao 🤣

The sterile male sea lamprey is a reality. It was a segment on dirty jobs A robotic device injects the liquid chemosterilant bisazir into the body of each male. the rest of the discussion is above my pay grade and I don’t fish the west end of the lake so I’ll butt out

The DEC has reduced king stocking over the years because NY state and the DEC regard king/coho salmon as invasive species ( which they are ) the push for years has been reestablishing native species LT , Cisco , Atlantic salmon this has had very poor results . What we seem to overlook is that the pacific salmon were introduced in the ‘70’s to help control the alewife ( mooneye) population , that was a resounding success. The sport fishery , in my opinion was a bonus , but not the focus. And it still isn’t as far as NY state is concerned

I totally agree that hooks must be very sharp I use trebles on cut bait rigs the Gamagatsu 2x strong are my go to I’ve had single strength hops straighten out on a big salmon Another point is always use hooks that are welded shanks. An unwelded hook can let the line slip between the shanks and that gives the salmon a lot of leverage to throw the hook. Ask me how I know 😂

With cut bait rigs , especially Twinkie rigs with attractors , an 8” FLASHER is not big enough to impart action to the rig.

Maybe you need a shorter paddle lmao

I’ve been fishing Lake O for many years and I can say that finding a day that is calm enough to jig in 150 FOW ( anchoring is out of the question) is going to be tough. With any kind of wind ( most of the time ) you will be trolling that jig anyway 😆

It’s the nature of the beast. Lake O has fluctuations of water level. We should be used to it at least the ones who have fished this lake for many years. I’ve waded through ankle deep water at Mexico Pt many times and at Henderson I’ve had the boat actually floating on the dock. I guess what I’m trying to say is ADAPT

Be careful what you wish for ! not the first launch underwater and won’t be the last.

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