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  1. big heads thin bodies on fish in any body of water anywhere is bad news.. Underfed fish, plain and simple as we all know... I still say the DEC needs to forget ciscoes and just load the lake back up with sawbellies, so these fish can eat.
  2. Les gave a fine opinion based on long experience.. I am not a kid at 67, and am not native to the FL Region.. I moved here exactly 30 years ago. June 1991. I was amazed at the fishing. As stated, I sold a Wellcraft Center Console I used fishing the bays and ocean in NJ, simply because, i didn't need it to catch fish.. I recall working as a tech/mechanic in Ithaca, and running down to the lake mid day during my lunch hour, casting from shore, and catching big Browns, Salmon, Lakers, SMB, Pike, Pickerel, massive panfish,,, once in a while a 25 pound or better Carp, just wonderful fishing I thought would never end... Until it did... This is a great forum, and there are a lot of great guys that are wonderful, knowledgeable fishermen. The only regret I have is that a lot of guys think the lakes are fine as long as the stocked trout get fat on sawbellies, and hit their deep trolled lures in open water... Those of us that fish for panfish and species like Pike and Bass have noticed that some of these populations are in freefall. Invasives and over development are killing these lakes- its that simple.. More noticable in near shore habitats than in the cold water zones, and it seems to grow worse every year.. I hope things change for the better in my lifetime.... bob
  3. I understand where you are coming from.. I agree with some of what you posted, but have some disagreements as well.. Sawbellies aren't native and don't belong in these lakes. agreed.. However, neither are browns or rainbows, and I think the landlocks are only native in Cayuga.. Once those species were introduced long ago, the natural balance of the lakes had to change as well. Nowadays, if the sawbellies collapse, so might the salmonid populations.. Smelt are decimated compared to years ago, Gobies have infested some of the lakes are have displaced many small bottom dwelling species that can't compete[Sculpins].. Bass and panfish don't need sawbellies and do fine without them.. Not sure this board would even exist without sawbellies in he Fingers and the Great Lakes, as this board is 95% trollers, and the first thing most of them do is find the bait concentrations, which in the modern age is sawbellies... I agree that these lakes would be better off without sawbellies, BUT, they might be useless to the multiple thousands of guys that troll these lakes for the stocked trout and salmon that feed exclusively on sawbellies these days.. yes the are eating gobies as well, but even with lakers, I find 100 sawbellies for every goby in thier stomachs.. All these lakes are not what they were a few decades ago... Invasives and over development have really taken their toll. There was a point in the 90's where I sols my boats, as I was catching all the fish I wanted just by fishing from shore. Yes even trout and landlocks, except for a few ,onths mid summer, and even then I caught a few... bass, big perch, Pike, quarter to half pound bluegills and rock bass, all day every day on both Cayuga and Seneca... Once the mussels, fleas, Gobies, rampant development came around, everything changed, especially around the shorelines.. I have told the story on these pages about how I stood on the shores of seneca with my kids in the 90's ... Tossed a few garden worms into the water and the second they started to sink, there were foot long flashes coming from every direction, just nice fish milling around everywhere.. These days, I do the exact same thing, and watch the worm sink unmolested, all the way to the bottom, where it just wigglkes around... On Cayuga, if I do the same, when the worm gets near the bottom, there are no foot long flashes anymore as the worm sinks, but when it get near bottom, it is torn into by hundreds of Gobies swarming from every direction... Yes the stocked sawbelly fattened trout trolling is still good, which I know is the focal point of this forum, but believe me, these lakes are not near what they should be .. The life in them is not what it was 20 years ago. I fear for their future,,, bob
  4. Not looking to argue.. Too old for that crap!.. I am no fishery biologist, but know the fish need something to eat.... Just wondering why they can't stock sawbellies.. I suppose Ciscoes are native to the lake, but I don't think they are as prolific as the sawbellies..
  5. If they want to stock something in the lake, they ought to keep dumping sawbellies in there, every year until they stick.. That lake needs a forage base... bob
  6. Yeah,I knew they went deeper, but when I have to jig in 125-150 FOW I lose interest fast.. 70- maybe 80 feet is ok... Next trip, when the early morning bite dies, I will try 90-100 feet, fish on screen or not...
  7. Did you find that they stopped hitting and persueing the jigs as the sun got higher?... It might be just me, but after about 7 am, I can't buy a hit on the jig these days, but between first light until 6 am or so, they are very active.. Years ago, I would catch them at any hour, even mid day.. Not any more.. Might be something I am doing wrong.. For me, as soon as the sun is over the treetops, and lighting up the water column, the bite stops dead.. I try moving deeper, but it doesn;t help... I did notice the trollers were out mid lake over 250 FOW,, maybe the fish move mid lake -suspended and deep, instead of just deeper water and on the bottom.. bob
  8. To be honest, I Only fish at Keuka rarely these days.. I simply don't catch fish there anymore, and i just don't see any screens either... When I started fishing there about 16-17 years ago, I caught so many lakers I would get sick of looking at them.. 30 fish in a few hours was no big deal... They were small even then compared to other lakes... Screens would light up like a Christmas tree, with lakers up and down the water column... The bag limit even went to 5 fish on lakers before any of the other lakes if I recall. Past several years, I see no more fish on the color screen, and I just don't catch fish there anymore... I suppose I could always be there at the wrong time, or at the wrong place every time, or all the lures and techniques i used for years there to good effect are no longer valid, or something... I just no longer catch anything there, at least not enough to keep me going back... I might be missing something, and I know the bait is gone, but in my opinion so are a LOT of the lakers..... The screens simply don't lie,, areas I used to fish that were thick with lakers are now totally devoid of them... I usually fish from mid lake north,, I dunno, maybe the lakers have better feed at the south end, and thats why I don't see them ,, Also, I see a LOT less guys jigging for lakers than I did at one time, and thats always a tell tale sign,, Where there are fish available, you can be sure there will be fishermen after them... I simply don't see as many as I did years ago... Honestly it could all be on me.. Perhaps I have totally lost all my skill as a fisherman.. For me, Keuka has become a lost cause, I just can't catch lakers there any longer... Even the bass and panfish don't seem as good, but again, I have lost confidence there, and don't fish it as much as I used to..... I do NOT think taking more fish out of the lake is a long term solution..bob
  9. Like too many other lakes in central NY, Keuka is ringed with development... All that ""progress"" is never good for any fishery anywhere.. Too many fish taken and eaten over too long a period is one problem, and habitat degradation is another.. Does anyone REALLY think all that lawn and garden fertilizer, pesticides, dog crap,Farm effluent, septic seepage from hundreds of houses, just goes away?.. No it goes into the lake.. Skaneateles is similar.. Water was as clean as Gin year round.. No weeds.. Now, there are weeds everywhere, and the lake is green.... Thats what happens when lakes are turned over to individuals for development... I don't see much hope for a better future either.... These lakes are getting over run, and although they are big, they are still sensitive...
  10. Yeah I figured that... more interested in if the fishing was typical for April/May for most guys, or was it slower this spring?
  11. Just wondering if anyone did well this spring down there?..I met an old friend that lives on the Lake in Ithaca today, and asked him how it was.. He is a long time fisherman, and said it was very poor.. At least for him.. He said he only caught 3 fish there this spring and one of those was a Pike.. I went twice, had one on briefly in the two trips and that was it, and never saw many fish caught... Water was really cold early, then when it started getting into the 40's and beyond, we had a ton of rain, lake was brown and loaded with garbage, and now its 90 degrees every day... So NOT asking where or how, just seeing if the fishing was good to anyone this spring at the south end of Cayuga Lake... My son wants to try down there, but I am thinking its about done there by this time.... bob
  12. I dunno, they are nice rigs, but these days there are a lot of companies offering similar hardtops.. There was a time they couldn't give them away, while guys were snapping up conventional cabin type rigs... IMHO a roomy aluminum hardtop regardless of brand is the best fishing boat for the Great Lakes, AND the near coastal waters of NY/NJ, out to I dunno, maybe 20 miles offshore... Canyon/offshore/big game??.. I think glass with multiple powerplants seems a better choice... As far as aluminum boats,,I was looking at Silver Streaks.. They looked pretty similar, not sure if they are any less expensive...
  13. I dunno, warm water discharges in cold climates[like ours!] usually help and not hurt the fishing, no matter where they are placed.. Personally I think algae blooms we are seeing more and more of are not caused by too much warm water,, They are caused by too much **** dumped into the lakes.. Houses with their septic systems, lawn fertilizer, dogs, cats etc, and farms are engulfing the Finger Lakes... Too many people living on the lakes, too many massive farms with millions of tons of ****, organic debris and fertilizer going in... It will never stop either because people paid big money for these "rights" .. To use the lakes as they see fit....to live on and work the surrounding land etc.. NY is making big money from these lakes... Do you REALLY think they care if the fishing suffers???? please..... bob
  14. The "brown water" is everywhere at the south end, but is streaky as always.. It has eddies of darker, and much more clear water thats actually pretty well defined.. In other words, you can see it, and usually troll along the breaklines, which is what I would do.. Of more concern than the water clarity to me would be the massive amounts of floating, and almost submerged logs, pilings, construction debris, bushes, etc... Even if you don't get huge 15 foot long pieces full of spikes, that will rip your lower unit off, you will get millions upon millions of small pieces that make it completely impossible to troll... Not sure how the hard rain of a few days ago messed things up, but when I passed the lake a couple days back it was an unfishable mess... Might have started to clear by now, not sure, but I would be very cautious if you go.... bob
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