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  1. To those that think bass tourneys are a "good" thing... Go to the weigh in/release area a day or two after, and look at all the dead bass.. BIG breeders... Do you REALLY think that a bass can stand being thrown into a livewell for hours and then smashed against the fiberglass as the boat rockets all over the lake at 50 MPH.??.. Cayuga was once considered one of the very best LMB lakes in the entire US.. For YEARS!... Then the tournaments started every year by the dozen... They decimated the northern end of that lake with the endless tournaments that are "good for the local economy".. Sorry NOT buying it. Whats good for the local economy is a good supply of fish that average people want to come and catch, and will support local businesses long term as they visit regularly... Tournaments one after another just destroy a bass fishery.. Its nonsense to think they help it in any way at all... bob
  2. I know Chinooky was just having fun, but in reality if you see a few boats working an area with jigs, that typically could be a good starting point.. If I see a few guys jigging hard, and sticking around, I figure they might know something I don't... NEVER go right where they are fishing.. Go a couple hundred yards from where they are, and keep an eye on the screen for bait balls, and individual marks.. These days when you see more than one boat jigging an area say a half mile long, you can bet that its a zone that produces at least occasionally... The fish are not everywhere, and the more you fish the more productive spots you will find.. Always keep your distance, more than you think is correct, but also realize that good fishermen know where the fish are located, and use it to your advantage if you can do it without becoming obnoxious.
  3. I can't offer specific advice for Canadice, but can tell you this- You will always have a better chance at picky lakes VERY early in the am.. I have seen them shut down at around 6:30 after hitting like crazy at 5-6 am...Just like someone shut off a light switch.. I have always found the lakers on Keuka, Seneca and Cayuga to hit best very early morning, and I mean first like first light twilight before the sun comes over the treetops... Of course you can catch lakers even at mid day, and some guys have the knack to get out at 10 am and still do great, but not me... Early morning has always been the best time, and in mid summer I have seen a hot bite shut down well before 7 am many times... Get out to your jigging spot where you know there are a few lakers,while its still a bit dark out one time, and see if you agree....bob
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  5. Bows or Browns on Keuka??.. Good luck with that... They technically still exist in the lake I think, but a report on someone actually catching one is pretty rare. Most of what you will catch trolling is small, very skinny lakers... Typically this time of year, they are suspended deep on points.. They can be anywhere in Keuka north end to south, but last few years have seen more on the south side of various points for some reason on this lake...
  6. Dryden Lake.. Sunnies, perch, crappies, bullheads.. Bobber with a worm 3-4 feet under and a small hook will do the trick.. If you can get some small minnows, you might catch some some crappies as well. Loaded with weeds this time of year, so you might have to look around for water open enough to fish..
  7. I know this is sacrilege, but if you want to catch bass in the hot weather when they don't seem to want to hit lures, Try some big live shiners.. They will move for a live shiner when they won't budge for a piece of rubber or plastic.. Same with big live nightcrawlers, but the sunnies and perch tear those to pieces before the bass get to them. Many times, I have seen guys throwing every lure they hadnat visible LMB in shallow water and the bass would not even look at what they were throwing. I would walk over with a hook and worm toss it out and the bass would strike it instantly....Live bait is always a good bet when you don't know the water very well....bob
  8. Of course, that was the reason the ""partnered"" with NY state.. to make money.. Funny thing is, Sampson is more crowded than ever before, so I guess they did something right.. Personally I liked it a LOT better before all the 'improvements".... bob
  9. Get used to it.. the state is broke and wants little to do with spending a fortune to fix a state marina... I read with great interest right on these pages, many members here giddy with anticipation at the thought of a private money making enterprise administering the marina and ramp.. I knew before they ever lifted single board of a dock exactly what would happen.. They are there to make MONEY, not to provide a service for payers of state taxes. I thought the ramp was fine as it was .. Getting weathered and dated looking, but nothing a little dredging, some dock work could not have fixed... Still saw lots of 20-25 footers going in and out without many issues.. The money went into the marina and supporting facilities to appease the Cabin cruiser set with big pockets... I never understood all the glee i saw during the "Upgrading"... bob
  10. From my understanding, lakers feed heavily on schools of alewives during full moonlight... Who knows, maybe those undulating schools light up like a Christmas tree, and the lakers are on them all night, and just don't want to eat much during the day... Sounds very simplistic of course, but its as good an explanation as any.. I don't troll, but can say the lakers don't bite much on my jigs either after a night of full moonlight.. I find the same thing after the passing of a cold front, when the skies are cloudless and deep blue with bright sunshine.. Can't buy a bite after about 6 am..... bob
  11. There are several articles on the net about this... Search "making a boat hard top"... Here's one... https://goneoutdoors.com/build-own-boat-hardtop-5498402.html
  12. absolutely correct. The sawbellies were never supposed to be there in the first place. They are salt water invasives that came into this area initially through the Welland Canal. However, now that they are here, they are the main reason all the trollers can catch big trout and salmon in the great lakes as well as the finger lakes.. Without them, the fish would be smaller and less abundant, and its doubtful the populations would do as well as they do. I see them today as a "necessary evil". The fish in Keuka need a food source thats rich in calories... Landlocked alewives seem the best bet..If they get too abundant?- Do what all the southern states do to help control them-Put stripers in the lakes. NY has never had much interest in them, but a LOT of states do, and the anglers there love them. In any case, Keuka needs help.. Its astounding how depressed that entire fishery has become compared to 15-20 years ago. As I mentioned earlier, I don't even bother anymore.. Switched to Skaneateles when I don't fish Cayuga... For me anyway, the fishing has been better there... bob
  13. big heads thin bodies on fish in any body of water anywhere is bad news.. Underfed fish, plain and simple as we all know... I still say the DEC needs to forget ciscoes and just load the lake back up with sawbellies, so these fish can eat.
  14. Les gave a fine opinion based on long experience.. I am not a kid at 67, and am not native to the FL Region.. I moved here exactly 30 years ago. June 1991. I was amazed at the fishing. As stated, I sold a Wellcraft Center Console I used fishing the bays and ocean in NJ, simply because, i didn't need it to catch fish.. I recall working as a tech/mechanic in Ithaca, and running down to the lake mid day during my lunch hour, casting from shore, and catching big Browns, Salmon, Lakers, SMB, Pike, Pickerel, massive panfish,,, once in a while a 25 pound or better Carp, just wonderful fishing I thought would never end... Until it did... This is a great forum, and there are a lot of great guys that are wonderful, knowledgeable fishermen. The only regret I have is that a lot of guys think the lakes are fine as long as the stocked trout get fat on sawbellies, and hit their deep trolled lures in open water... Those of us that fish for panfish and species like Pike and Bass have noticed that some of these populations are in freefall. Invasives and over development are killing these lakes- its that simple.. More noticable in near shore habitats than in the cold water zones, and it seems to grow worse every year.. I hope things change for the better in my lifetime.... bob
  15. I understand where you are coming from.. I agree with some of what you posted, but have some disagreements as well.. Sawbellies aren't native and don't belong in these lakes. agreed.. However, neither are browns or rainbows, and I think the landlocks are only native in Cayuga.. Once those species were introduced long ago, the natural balance of the lakes had to change as well. Nowadays, if the sawbellies collapse, so might the salmonid populations.. Smelt are decimated compared to years ago, Gobies have infested some of the lakes are have displaced many small bottom dwelling species that can't compete[Sculpins].. Bass and panfish don't need sawbellies and do fine without them.. Not sure this board would even exist without sawbellies in he Fingers and the Great Lakes, as this board is 95% trollers, and the first thing most of them do is find the bait concentrations, which in the modern age is sawbellies... I agree that these lakes would be better off without sawbellies, BUT, they might be useless to the multiple thousands of guys that troll these lakes for the stocked trout and salmon that feed exclusively on sawbellies these days.. yes the are eating gobies as well, but even with lakers, I find 100 sawbellies for every goby in thier stomachs.. All these lakes are not what they were a few decades ago... Invasives and over development have really taken their toll. There was a point in the 90's where I sols my boats, as I was catching all the fish I wanted just by fishing from shore. Yes even trout and landlocks, except for a few ,onths mid summer, and even then I caught a few... bass, big perch, Pike, quarter to half pound bluegills and rock bass, all day every day on both Cayuga and Seneca... Once the mussels, fleas, Gobies, rampant development came around, everything changed, especially around the shorelines.. I have told the story on these pages about how I stood on the shores of seneca with my kids in the 90's ... Tossed a few garden worms into the water and the second they started to sink, there were foot long flashes coming from every direction, just nice fish milling around everywhere.. These days, I do the exact same thing, and watch the worm sink unmolested, all the way to the bottom, where it just wigglkes around... On Cayuga, if I do the same, when the worm gets near the bottom, there are no foot long flashes anymore as the worm sinks, but when it get near bottom, it is torn into by hundreds of Gobies swarming from every direction... Yes the stocked sawbelly fattened trout trolling is still good, which I know is the focal point of this forum, but believe me, these lakes are not near what they should be .. The life in them is not what it was 20 years ago. I fear for their future,,, bob
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