les, and everyone, thanks for the great info. I think I may have been going to slow. My depth finder will give me the speed at around 2 mph, but below that it has trouble. I don't have the best depth finder this season and I plan on upgrading next year, so this one is all I got. I will try to get a temp probe tomorrow to better see what's under me. I don't know what sliders are. I have been running my cow bells right off the ball, then my release and about 4 feet then lure. I really need to go out and fish with somebody who know what's up. I am getting together quite an arsenal of gear to hunt these fish but it is hard, when you have know Idea what to do and how the best way is to rig it. I am a bass fisherman that has converted to deep water in search of the big one, plus I like to eat them much more than bass. I am going to hit the water tomorrow and see if I can't put this info to work and lets hope I can get some nice fish in the boat.