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  1. Fished out of fair haven Sunday afternoon. Bit bumpy but the lake flattened a little around 5:00. Started slow stayed slow. Couldn’t find temp from 100-250 fow. Best screen was in 150 with fish on the bottom. Down 80 was 58 degrees though. The boys did land and release the 3 that wanted to cooperate. DR bites down 80 on meat and then the old DW 2 face.
  2. I 100% agree with that statement. And my next comments are not meant to be argumentative. My intent is just to offer a view that some currently share. Most logical people would agree that Fair Haven is not Manhattan. This is a novel virus and we should take extreme precautions. But unless there is a subway in Fair Haven that I don't know about, we don't really know if sheltering in place presents a significant increase in safety to the non-high risk population over running out to get milk and then washing your hands, working a job at an employer that can maintain 6-feet of social distance, or visiting a dock at a marina to take your boat out. Because some feel that regardless of the mitigation steps, this virus will not be eliminated. New cases will persist until we reach herd immunity. So, with that, the high-risk population should continue to take every extreme precaution. But that is not 100% of the population. The quarantine was to "flatten the curve" so we did not overwhelm the healthcare system. To buy time until treatments could be identified, and to get us closer to potential approval of a vaccine next year. That is an absolute necessity in Manhattan where they have 8 million people and 2000 icu beds. In Fair Haven, is there currently a risk of overwhelming the healthcare system? Regardless, the quarantine was never intended to outlast the virus. But that has changed. The case is now being made that we can not safely reopen until something specific happens. Well, the growth of new cases in the US, and in NY, have slowed. Testing is available. Yes there may be a bottleneck in testing related to labor. So solve that. But hospitals have the ability to run tests in 45 minutes. Antibody testing. One company has already brought this to market and is rolling it out and other companies are close behind with theirs. This might be everywhere next week, or by May 1. It might face the same issue as current testing. But it will be available. Treatments, well, the remdesivir studies certainly deserve attention. One study saw 123 of 125 critical patients improve in 6-10 days, people coming off ventilators after 1-day, etc. So you already have testing, and antibody testing is ramping up, and treatments may already exist for extreme cases. You have to know that this isn't going away in 3-months. So do you stay closed until you see 0 new cases? Do you wait until next spring? Aug? Or do you allow private businesses to follow guidelines and open May 1, or May 15, while advising the high-risk population to continue to take extreme precautions? Right now, I would be surprised if NY extends past May 15. For one, hospitals are suffering significant financial losses. They make most of their money on elective surgeries and preventative procedures, and those have been suspended by the state. The last thing the governor is going to want to see is thousands of hospital layoffs in the midst of a medical crisis. So he can waive a magic wand and arbitrarily decide to start permitting elective procedures. But they have to understand that until they lift the shut down many people aren't going out. So by declaring the May 15 target, they might be floating the idea publicly that they need to weigh the risk of extreme financial distress against the risk of infection.
  3. In the interest of civil discussion, and because I am interested in learning more from others on this topic... The tenth amendment declares that powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. A state can legalize marijuana, etc. However, Federal law supercedes state law and the federal government controls matters that cross state lines such as interstate commerce. For example, even if marijuanna is legal in Colorado, you cannot sell or transport it across state lines. Obama passed a law that required a new healthcare tax be withheld by employers in all states. Some states elected not to set up a healthcare exchange. But I am not aware of any state declaring that "businesses in our state will not be paying that tax. Because we do not have a king, ...and the tenth amendment." Now lets be clear, Trump is often ridiculous. He has a well documented history of going off script and derailing a rational policy discussion with some random claim or statement. With that, he should not be doing a two hour daily briefing. Especially one that fields a dozen loaded hypothetical questions from a media with a clear ideological purpose. No objective person can watch and honestly say that the reporters in attendance represent an independent media. Anyway, back to the point, using the phrase ultimate authority is ridiculous and it fairly opened the door to criticism from everyone with a brain. That said, we can only speculate on what he meant. Maybe he meant that the economy is interstate and therefore within the jurisdiction of the federal government? What if California decided to never reopen? Could the president make an executive order forcing them to permit private businesses to operate? Could congress pass a law that prohibits states from being mini socialist republics? Maybe he meant the constitution grants the president emergency powers? Abraham Lincoln used emergency powers to suspend habeas corpus. Roosevelt invoked emergency powers when he ordered West Coast Japanese Americans be sent to camps during World War II. Truman declared the use of emergency powers when he nationalized private steel mills during the Korean War. Anyway, the president might be a headache for you. But he is in charge, and this team is not doing a bad job on this crisis frankly. So, if he said something like, "look, if governors do something crazy like declare vape shops essential but close down marinas... or if they don't implement social distancing guidelines, masks etc. and reopen when their state meets testing requirements and new cases/hospitalizations have fallen,... well, then I might consider an emergency executive order that pressures that state into making a decision between challenging emergency powers in court, or returning some freedom to its citizens." Is that absolute power, no. But would it have made the point?
  4. I am a novice to fishing the lake and I am not well informed on many issues or the stakeholders involved. So, I typically keep my mouth shut on topics like this. But in an effort to better understand this discussion, I thought I would share my thoughts and look for feedback from people in here that possess more experience and knowledge than me. First, I will comment as a recreational fisherman. We would prefer to release every fish. I am not trying to eat, or give away, 9 steelhead every weekend. We do our best to limit handling, drag every fish, and if they don't revive, they go in the box. We might end up with 2-3 fish a trip. So, if we release swimmers, what impact would changing the SH limit do on our boat? Whatever the limit is, if we release 4, or 6, or 20... changing the SH limit for us will not lead to more fish in the streams. Aside of that, you can write someone a ticket for fishing for bass out of season. But we are not targeting SH. Are you going to police boats on Lake Ontario looking for someone releasing a SH landed while targeting salmon? My point is, I expect that this change will not impact our tactics, or our fish box, in the slightest. That suggests to me that this change is primarily aimed at charters. Here, I will comment as customer. For roughly a decade, prior to moving our boat to the lake, we chartered 2-3 trips per year. We went to catch fish. Salmon. We did not measure the success of our trip solely on a picture with a dozen fish at the dock. I understand the marketing importance of that practice, and I am not critical of it, because I am just as guilty as anyone for trolling instagram and the forum looking for posts about hot trips, depths, lures, etc. I am just speaking for me personally, if the captain landed fish, permitted a couple pictures, and then gave us the option of a release, I believe we would have kept a few fish for the box and then released the last 80-100 lbs. I am 100% confident that there are plenty of charters and customers that would strongly disagree with that statement and I respect their opinion. My opinion is that it should be their choice. And, I would understand someone making the argument that boxing mature kings manages lake predators and promotes the overall health of the fishery. My freezer just isn’t that big. All that aside, I struggle with the TU take on stream fishing and their efforts as described here. I fished the streams for years. The number of fishermen and the tactics drove me away. My brother still heads out a dozen plus times a year. He brings his son, and he invites me to tag along. I decline, and when I hear stories of fishermen "flossing," I keep my opinions to myself. Anyway, I would think that a far more effective method of increasing the number of browns and SH in the tributaries would be by policing and enforcing existing stream fishing regulations. That might not be as sexy to TU as planting trees, increasing stocking, or reducing lake limits, but let’s be realistic, you have a mess on your hands in the streams. To reasonable observers it would seem that the TU crowd would prefer that people ignore that. The appearance of lobbying for stricter lake regulations is therefore viewed as a technique to shift attention away from obvious internal issues and on to outside forces potentially impacting tributary fishing. I think it is fair to say that determining how many bait fish are swimming in the lake at a given moment in time is a challenging, inexact, science. If stakeholders agree and determine that there is a predator-prey issue, and then the DEC chose to tackle that by adjusting stocking rates, I could at least follow the potential rationale. But a decision to change SH, or brown, limits on the lake does not seem to be designed with that goal in mind. It seems simply geared towards increasing fish numbers that may make their way into the tributaries. So, I would argue that this notion that higher fish numbers is all that is needed for a stream fishing utopia for guys with $800 center pin setups is misguided. Until they effectively tackle existing stream fishing issues, that appear to have been ignored for years, it will continue to be a crowded loosely regulated mess.
  5. It had some color. But it was definitely not as dark as it looks in the picture. Maybe it was the shade, ...but when a 16 year old texts you a picture, it is safe to assume they used some instagram filter, so they look cooler.
  6. Rookie here. So I stopped in the local shop to buy meat last Saturday evening and saw a stack of these on the wall in the DW section. Laughed to myself a little and figured, I mean, I have to grab one or two. Why the hell not. We went out Sunday AM with the NOAA report of waves "around 2 feet" and dropped a few lines when we hit 200 fow. Figured we'd troll out deeper, look for temp, then get set up. We lasted maybe an hour tops before we turned to troll back into the waves, then we immediately called it, pulled lines, and crawled back in. We did manage to hook up once on a diver on 2 out 200. Handed the rod to my nephew who did a nice job staying on his feet and getting it to the boat so we could net it. Guess which spoon fired. Edit: So you know, I stopped on my way home and grabbed the other two off the shelf.
  7. Made our first trip out of Fair Haven to fish for a few hours on Saturday afternoon. We were up the week before and the water dropped maybe 2 inches at our dock. Set up in 100 fow and trolled out to 200-220. At 200 we saw some action and turned east there. Probe was down 75 and read 47 degrees. Took 4 hits on a diver out 230 with a stinger yellow penguin. DR out 85 took other hits on DW NBK. Best down speed was 2.7. Flies were miserable.
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    Sold / Closed 1998 Pursuit 2470 WA.

    Bump. Brought gear up Wednesday afternoon and got out on the water for a bit. She ran great.
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    Sold / Closed 1998 Pursuit 2470 WA.

    Reduced asking price.
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    Sold / Closed 1998 Pursuit 2470 WA.

    I just got off the phone with the marina. Scheduled to get a fresh coat of bottom paint this week, then targeting this weekend for launch.
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    Sold / Closed 1998 Pursuit 2470 WA.

    Targeting next week for launch.
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    Sold / Closed 1998 Pursuit 2470 WA.

    This ad is for the boat only and does not include a trailer.
  13. slouiscar

    Sold / Closed 1998 Pursuit 2470 WA.

    We weren’t planning to sell this boat, but something else has come up. So, once it is removed from storage at our marina and launched in the next few weeks, we will be putting our Pursuit walkaround up for sale. This has been a great boat for us. We have kept it in the water on the finger lakes. I've over-nighted on it comfortably. It is a great platform for both cruising & fishing. The Pursuit hull more than handled any unexpected weather for us. The Honda kicker sips gas and keeps the batteries fully charged. The autopilot was a game changer for trolling this boat. It is networked with the gps/fishfinder so you can navigate with tracks and to waypoints with the touchscreen, use preset zig zags, circles, troll right back to where you marked fish and if you are fishing solo, boating fish isn't a circus of going back and forth to the helm. I thought I would prelist it here first in case anyone is searching. Then once it is launched, I will go through it, take it out, show it to anyone interested, and then post it on craigslist if needed. 1998 Pursuit 2470 WA. Boat was purchased in Bolton, NY on Lake George in 2015. A successful survey was done prior to purchase. 24’7” ft. length, 26’5” with pulpit, 8.5 ft. beam, approximate dry weight 3,800lbs. Yamaha OX 66 250, professionally maintained with approx. 700 hours. Replaced O2 sensor and VST filter in 2018. Honda 9.9, 4-stroke, kicker, 25” extra-long shaft with electric trim and remote control. Professionally installed new in 2016, approx. 100 hours. Garmin Compact Reactor Hydraulic Autopilot with GHC 20 Corepack. Professionally installed new in 2017. Garmin EchoMAP 94sv, 9” touchscreen display with built in GPS, BlueChart g2 maps, ClearVü and SideVü Scanning Sonar. Professionally installed new in 2018. Networked with autopilot. Fish Hawk X4D. Surface temp and speed, probe depth, temp, and speed. Professionally installed new in 2016. Two Scotty 2116 High Performance Electric Downriggers. 60” Telescoping Boom, Swivel Base, and Dual Rod Holders. Excellent condition and wired to dedicated fuse box. New in 2016. Two 6” Traxtech mounting tracks with two Traxtech 12” horizontal trees, each tree has three Berts ratcheting rod holders. VHF Radio. AM/FM Marine Radio. Recessed Bennett trim tabs. Bow pulpit with anchor windlass. Bimini top and windshield/cockpit enclosure. Canvas mooring cover. Cuddy cabin, comfortable V-berth, and portable head. Vinyl combing pads and seating in very good condition. Raw water washdown and live well. Pursuit Plus transom with stern bait & tackle storage, rigging station and sink. Tuna door with swim step and ladder. Removable bench seat with cooler/fish storage. Dual battery 12-Volt system with battery switch. 125 Gallon Fuel Tank. 20 Gallon Fresh Water Tank. Very clean, seaworthy, fuel efficient, fishing boat that is comfortable to cruise. We have put $12k in upgrades and equipment on the boat in the past 3 years. Asking $. Please PM me with questions or interest. Thanks.
  14. Looks like I might be a few minutes late but I figure I would add this anyway... This spring I added the Garmin unit to a 24 Pursuit with a yamaha 250 and a 9.9 connected to the main outboard via the hydraulic steering with an EZ steer. https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/p/533297 I can't speak to the other units, or the long-term durability of the garmin, but I thought I would share a few thoughts. Very happy. This was my first autopilot and after a week with it I knew I would never get another boat without it. The install was virtually all done at the helm. Tied into the hydraulics and then the computer unit was mounted down below. I can hear the pump on occasion, if I am listening for it, so installing the pump in the stern might have been nice, but this made the install significantly easier and I can get to shutoffs and everything else if needed with ease, as opposed to needing to squeeze into a 15 inch hatch, on my back, with a flashlight in my mouth. So I can live with the occasional hum. Whatever pump came with the base unit works well for my application. Setup took 5 minutes. More or less, drive in a circle. The autopilot heading differed from my compass by 5-7 degrees. I toyed with it a bit and called support but after using it and seeing that that had zero impact on what I was using the unit for I pretty much stopped caring. Anyway, support was good once you got a person on the phone. They were knowledgeable and helpful. The garmin has its own unit that has a nice interface to control the autopilot. Heading hold obviously but it also has a few pattern steering options. Two big winners are "zig zag", which obviously is very nice on the troll, and "circle" to turn if I have a spread out. You can adjust the angle and duration of the zig zag, or how tight/wide you want to circle. I have used the autopilot while under way with the main engine, if I have to grab fenders, lines, or say a soda from the cooler, but 90% of the time it is used for trolling. When I got the boat it had an older garmin gpsmap 740s gps/fishfinder which is an older reasonably priced unit. I am not convinced on its sonar but it works too good overall to consider an upgrade and I like the touchscreen vs. buttons to navigate. I picked up an additional garmin nmea cable for $20 and in maybe 2 minutes I had added the autopilot to the gps menus through the settings. Now I can touch the screen on the gps and have the autopilot navigate to the spot, or set waypoints, drop markers to circle where we saw bait, whatever. The gps unit obviously maps tracks, and you can navigate a course, see distances to a waypoint, see if you are off course, etc. If we just ran a nice stretch I will drop a waypoint, tell the auto pilot to circle, hit goto waypoint and without thought we can troll the same line back. I got the ShadowDrive unit. Meh. I mean it works, I can take control of the wheel while holding course and then when I stop it will hold the new course. But the sensitivity varies, and at times I prefer to just hit the standby button. In 2 foot chop on cayuga, with the kicker moving at 2.5 mph, it has to work a little to hold course depending on whether you are trolling into or with the current, but it gets it done. More than that and I am usually not fishing anyway. Overall, I'd give it a B+. It would be an A if I didn't have to listen to music for 30 minutes to get a person on the phone.
  15. There was some debris and a few weeds, but nothing you couldn't fish. The fleas on the other hand are a royal pain in the ###.
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