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Looks like a great couple of days! Nice job and thanks for the post!

Whaler, thank you so much for taking us! Had a lot of fun and learned a lot also.

Nice!!! Thanks for the report.

Thanks guys! Fishing more stable conditions makes sense. The more water you can take off your plan makes a smaller area to focus on. Hope this conversation helps someone else someday also.

When I was sampling Lake Erie, I did not have a reason to watch surface temps that closely so I have not looked into it. I would think direct reading (where cloud cover is not an issue) would be better than a model every time. Models by definition try to predict observations. I worked with some modelers for Erie. Their goal was to predict upwelling events so water intakes could be ready for the change in water quality. It worked somewhat, but Erie has a wind driven circulation that often causes the thermocline to be shaped like a bowl sitting in the lake. While I was sampling they could not account for that added complexity.

Makes sense. Not much difference in density so easy to move and mix. So do you guess the fish are on the cold side or at the temperature break?

It does not seem that the Niagara plume is the whole story though. I still wonder why the two sources from NOAA look different.

Thanks guys. Just wishing I could develope a better game plan based on the info available. You have a lot more experience than I have with salmon. It is hard to gain years of experience quickly. Thanks for the advice!

Thank you! Sounds like we try what we can and hope to fail our way to success. Here is a screen shot from 5/30. Same day as Gill's. Why the difference? Both NOAA. How do I know which is correct from 200 miles away?

So it did cool down? Does the cooler water bring in kings? Do you look for temperature breaks? How do you adapt to that situation?

I have not been able to access the GLERL website to check for the 5/30 map.

In lake Erie wany people referred to the marine forecast as the "I don't NOAA". I have not seen two sets of data from the same place this different. Gills was from a day before mine. I will see if I can find one from the same day.

Interesting!

I am going to be in Olcott Fri, Sat, Sun. The surface temp map shows an upwelling from Niagara past Olcott with surface temps in the mid to high 40's. As this is within the preference of kings....is this an attractant? How should I fish that condition? If it is still present in 3 days. Thanks for help understanding! I actually sampled the hypolimnion in Lake Erie for years, but Ontario and salmon are completely new to me.

Thank you to everyone. We brought home 8 steel, a 5# coho, and a 10# king Friday and Saturday. Could not find any pattern. Hoped to get into a school of steel but did not happen. A fish here and a fish there. Focused on steel and coho 40-60' in 300-500+. My brother had a great time and that is what matters. Thank you all again!!

Thank you for the updates as the weekend gets closer!!!

Thanks guys!!

Looks like I booked a place to stay too early. I just retired this year and now have time to fish (thank you for letting me fish in your pond!). I live south of Cleveland and fish Erie... We have 96 million catchable walleye, please help yourselves! We planned to fish Olcott several times starting in April/May but my brother had to go through cancer treatment and I could not leave him at home. I hope to get my brother into any fish that will bend a rod. Steelhead, coho, king, whatever. Looks like I should have booked something closer to the middle of the lake. If anyone can give help with location in the Niagra to Olcott area in the next week or so, I would really appreciate it.