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    Max's Tackle & Bait Cove - Rochester NY

    in Open Lake Discussion

    Posted

     Out of the service, USN, in November 1966.  Used to stop at Max's, every Friday night in the winter to purchase Michigan wigglers for ice fishing on Conesus Lake. The perch fishing was very good late 60's to the early 1970's. Almost invariably, while in Max's shop, there would be several young men singing. A little out of place for a B&T shop was my thought. Yet, at the same time, " these guys are pretty good." The rest of the story is musical history. I also recall that Max, in his well worn flannel shirt, was sort of a, "surly character," in his own way. (demeaner) He seemed almost oblivious to the constant singing/music that emanated from the young men. His shop was a mish mass of tackle, much different then today's B&T store.  Also, JV tackle was located at this time, on the second floor of an old building on Mt. Hope Avenue. I recall going there on one occasion to purchase ice fishing tackle. Bob, the owner, (do not recall his last name) seemed almost annoyed at my request. He went to back of the store and returned with one plastic tackle container filled with various jigs. That was, at the time, his sum total of ice fishing gear/lures. A very far cry from the offerings we have today. In addition, there were several other B&T shops around the city, and just about every town also had a shop.  Just sayin ... Willi
    Bob Gilmore used to own Jay Vee....
    I don't remember the Mt Hope Store... But I was in Jay Vees on Norton alot....

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    MUST READ, DEC’s new Atlantic salmon stocking proposal.

    in New York Fishing Reports - Lake Ontario (South Shore)

    Posted

    This Atlantic was caught a couple weeks ago.... 6 years old... Was stocked as an adult this past February out of Port Hope with 80 other adult Atlantics..
    There is a ton of bait in the lake.. all different year classes of bait ( I've been closely watching stomach contents this year). Not to mention the fish is Six years old... How big do you think a 6 year old King would be? Just saying..... Yea it was a hatchery fish eating pellets, but it had 6 months to put on size and God knows there it's a tremendous amount of food in the lake this year.
    The small mouth bass idea is kind of interesting... How great would it be to have that lake fishery back to its status in the 80s and 90s?
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    Rochester Pen rearing

    in Open Lake Discussion

    Posted

    I'm sure the Genny and Oak guys are doing a great job ........ Taking care of our fish . 
     
    Who said the horse is dead ? 
     
    We got thrown under the bus . 
     
    If there is no imprinting , why not just keep them at the hatchery and power feed the heck out of them and direct release them out of a helicopter into the lake ? 
    According to the research Pen reared fish have a greater survivability rate than direct stocked fish... That's the only reason why I think pen rearing is worth it...
    So let's think this through... I'm part of the guys who show up, get pens ready, dump em in the water....volunteer to hand feed these fish 5 x a day to make sure every part of the pens get feed in them ( auto feeders probably work just as well... I've never seen them work). Most guys who have fished for a long time have seen the decrease in the fall return... So is the imprinting working? No... Even the DEC question it.... So why do we do it? To get a better product into the lake that has a fighting chance to make it to 3 years old. A better product for everyone... Not just Genny basin anglers.. Besides, the muddy water flowing out is a whole lot better at hiding little guys than gin clear waters.
    In addition.. I'm sure the little guys would do fantastic getting direct stocked in gin clear water from a helicopter ( sarcasm).


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    Rochester Pen rearing

    in Open Lake Discussion

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    Stop beating dead horse. I miss the sandy fish, too. Start a different thread. This one is focusing on rochester’s and the guys that commit their time to make it work.
    All Good L.R.
    I completely understand the frustration from the Sandy Creek fishermen... As well as the others ( Fairhaven...Sodus...ect).
    I Definetly don't agree with alot of the DEC biologist's theories. I do agree that pen rearing Salmon is an important part of ensuring that the young salmon have a chance at survival... Imprinting? I don't really buy into it but who am I? Just a knuckle dragger who has fished for these critters since the 70s ( very big decline in fall runs).
    Maybe some things will change in the future... Alewifes keep rebounding, increased Salmon stocking, Steelhead limits returned to 3 ( that's another subject for another topic)... Return of Caledonia ... You know a guy can dream...
    In the mean time, we deal with the hand we are dealt... Sometimes it's pocket aces.. Sometimes it's seven two off suit. I'm still going to volunteer my time, and sweat to help the salmon... Just like lots of other guys throughout both sides of the lake.




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    NK C5’s

    in Tackle and Techniques

    Posted

    Fished out of Wilson early last June. The salmon we caught were full of small (2 inch) mooneyes. UV watermelon was the hot color once the sun got up a little and I was able to find some NK C5’s in UV watermelon. Does anyone still run these? What is the best speed for them? Used to do great on the small pirate spoon we called the 5 of diamonds but you can’t find them any more.
    Stay tuned.... Pirate Spoons are being ressurected by a Lake Erie Captain.. All sizes....

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    Rochester Pen rearing

    in Open Lake Discussion

    Posted

    The Genny Salmon pens went in last night.. Good group of lake anglers busted their rear ends to get those pens back in the water this year. We are good to go for the arrival of our Kings the week of April 11.

    The Genny is an ideal spot for kings to survive predation. Muddy water hides them from aerial threats and the swift river current dumps an out in the lake at a pretty good clip.

    Have a great season!

     

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    Wire diver setup

    in Tackle and Techniques

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    That does help, thank you.  No issues tripping the diver as long as I stick to about 15 feet of 50 pound mono?
    None what so ever... It might be another terminal end that could possibly fail, however you won't get kinks in the wire when working on your gear ( changing out lures ect)... I change my #50 leaders maybe once a year... I check them every trip for wear marks... Plus I check the wire terminal end every trip....
    The other good thing is.... If you get some Yahoo who sets the hook on your wire, there is a little more give depending on how hard they set the hook...
    I get alot of people who have never caught a fish on a wire diver. I tell people all the time that we don't "Sink the hook" but I always have that guy who thinks he's Roland Martin... Lol.....

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    Wire diver setup

    in Tackle and Techniques

    Posted

    Thank you.  I thought with some mono or braid before the snap for the diver it might be easier to take the rods apart and store them. All the wire would be tight on the reels.  But that is more to fail in the long run, so I will heed your advice.  Appreciate the answers.
    I put a piece of #50 mono between the wire and swivel leading to diver... Couple of reason why...
    #1... Can set my drags just a little tighter for better hook ups. The mono stretchs a little and acts as a shock absorber with hard hits.. With regular snubbers, I lost alot of fish...
    #2... Working on your rods or breaking them down for storage... No pig tailed wire.
    #3.. When flea season hits a couple rod lengths of #50 mono can keep alot off your rigs... If the fleas are really bad, it won't matter what you have down, they will stick...
    Hope it helps...Matt

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    Slide diver question

    in Questions About Trout & Salmon Trolling?

    Posted

    I actually use both throughout the year... Now I love the small Chinooks... It's just cool seeing the rod get smoked real close to the boat... I have a theory why it works well in spring... As the boat goes over them, they swim to the sides and pic up that spoon close ... It doesn't work everyday, but more days than not..
    In late spring when I'm fishing the upper column for steel on temp breaks, i'll toss out slide divers.. I won't run the diver back far ( depends on the temp break depth) but I might run the spoon back 50ft.. Whatever my rigger leads are, I run the slide divers back 25ft further.
    Deeper trolling I'm more used to regular divers... Not that the metal chinooks don't work, they Absolutley work mint... I just haven't put a lot of time in testing depths... I have a hard time experimenting on charters... New techniques give me anxiety lol...
    Pick a method of deployment and master it... More you run stuff the more confident you get...

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    Slide diver question

    in Questions About Trout & Salmon Trolling?

    Posted

    When I ran slide divers, I ran the regular size on the farthest out setting... Lure was 70-75 ft back...
    In recent years I've been running the Chinook #1 divers for Browns. Today we did well on browns running the Chinooks.. They were 16to 20 feet out.. Lures were about 8ft behind the diver.. There were times I saw the diver in the water next to the boat. Big browns aren't afraid of hitting next to the boat... Good luck this spring.received_458650979280325.jpg

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    How Many Downriggers do You Run ?

    in Questions About Trout & Salmon Trolling?

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    Used to run 5... I got it in my head that the cleaning up of the lake made the fish more spooky. Went to 3 and haven't looked back...
    Now the depths I run em in change as does the patterns of deployment depending on the baits I'm presenting...
    I Definetly believe in the "Less is More" concept... Us paying attention to small details could mean the difference...

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    Southern Deer opener 2021

    in Big / Small Game

    Posted

    Great bear Matt.  I hunt across the road from you.  Bears have been showing up on trail cams the last few years and we've seen them up close and personal.  I got a great video on my cell phone to show you from last year. It was 13 yds. It's great seeing them in the woods.  Two weeks ago my brother was in his ground blind and a big bear came by him at 15 yds. Eye to eye. He said his heart was pounding. May have been  your bear. I gave him a can of wasp and hornet spray to put in his blind. Anyways gratz on your trophy.
    That bear was a tough ole SOB... Some idiot shot him in the shoulder with small caliber round... Possibly a pistol or even .556 round... He also had porcupine quills all over his front legs...
    He's going to make an awesome full size mount.... And I'm curious to try bear steaks


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