bulletbob

 Anyone have a phone #, or an email?/.. Tried PM"ing Hank a couple times from this site, never got a response.. I would like to have him look at an OB motor for me this winter, but can find nothing online about L&M Marine, and the only way I know to contact him is via PM.. If anyone can help I would appreciate it, or hopefully hank sees this, and can  get back to me..

 Info can be emailed to me  instead of responding publicly... bob

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 Yeah I was 100% sure it was brown, but the NJ DEC says no.. However,  who knows.. they might think its a salmon if browns were not stocked in the lake where it was caught, but that means nothing.. Different trout/ salmon species get thrown in with the "correct" ones at times.. Several years ago, I found a   freshly stocked dead LL salmon here in Candor in Catatonk creek, that somehow got mixed with the small browns they  stock here.. bob

Well, It looked like a Brown to me, and most others that responded here, but NJ Fish and Wildlife says it is indeed a LL salmon... bob

 Thanks Stinger, very nice photo.. Typically, browns and LL salmon are easy enough to tell apart.. However, once in a while you get a LL with more spots and a more bronze sheen than most, or a brown with less spots  and a more silvery look, and there in lies the confusion..... this photo show a very clear contrast... bob

 Help us out.. this is from a NJ site, and yes NJ has LL salmon in several lakes as well as browns lakers, bows, SMB Muskies, Pike, walleyes, and LOTS of hybrid  Stripers.. Guy caught this one and thought it was a LL, but it looked a lot more like a brown in coloration.. Any thoughts??... bob
 

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 With any small jig, no matter what the design, [Tiny twister tails are as good as anything I have ever used, and they are cheap], a  little piece of earthworm  makes a huge difference.. Also if you have no worms, tiny slices of any panfish are just as good......bob

 I  find its too much work to jig unless the fish are pretty stacked up... used to jig for them exclusively... However, in my experience, for every nice size panfish I catch with a small jig, I can catch 10 or more with a small  hook, small worm, and a split shot.. Not only that, but I catch a lot of big bass, bullheads etc as well..  Only place I no longer fish worms is on  cayuga,, the gobies are too fierce.. If you must jig I have always found very small Mister twisters or very small marabou jigs productive.. Small 1/16 or 1/32 marabou jig with a little piece  of earthworm is the best lure you can use for most any panfish, and  SMB hit them hard as well... bob. bob

 Those Ciscoes are probably  half eaten through already... bob

 Will the ramp still be free with park admission I wonder?.. Or will there be  a "ramp fee" on top of park entrance fee?... bob

  Cayuga lakers are getting close to post spawn, and many will be hitting again.. I have had good luck jigging for them in mid/late November

•   I  could be wrong I guess, but that Brown looks like he's been in that creek for a while.. Don't see many with that bold  natural coloration coming straight from the lake...
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22 hours ago, Sk8man said:

bulletbob - I have to say that after 60 years of fishing the Finger Lakes from a boat I strongly disagree with the thesis that Cayuga or Seneca, or in some cases even  the smaller Finger Lakes aren't much of a safety concern. The fact that the waves may not get as steep as those on the ocean, or even Lake Ontario for that matter can be very deceptive because the wave intervals are not rolling like those in the ocean or Great Lakes and they can come over the bow, stern, or gunwales of many boats. A lot of the people reading this thread may be from distant points geographically, and could easily think from reading the comments that there is nothing to fear in these lakes; and nothing would be further from the truth. It is easy to be lulled into thinking during somewhat "normal" conditions that these waters are relatively tame, but just once have the wind come up to 45 mph or more while out there, and have your main engine die, and the kicker not be able to go against the wind to get you to safety; and your opinion could quickly change. I had that happen on Seneca during a derby in 2013 in my "ocean capable" 18 1/2 ft. Boston Whaler and my 40 lbs of anchor wouldn't even hold in shallow water and the boat was headed for Watkins Glen (from nearly mid-way in the lake). Luckily, my good buddy was able to tow me about 14 miles back to the launch. I have also lost firends to Seneca one of whom was a charter captain. The Finger Lakes are no joke. Mother Nature is VERY fickle, and nobody should believe that they shouldn't be concerned about safety out there especially when unanticipated things happen. You can never be "over-prepared" out there, or take things for granted....it could cost you your life. I treat the Fingers the same as Lake Ontario or the ocean and have a great respect for each.

 Understood, and I won't argue, but although the interval is faster on the finger lakes, there are  no  NO  steep "rollers", no deep troughs, and NO hard  running tide against  heavy wind.. these are the things that  typically sink boats, not a short windy chop with  that gets you wet and uncomfortable.. There are certainly conditions on seneca and cayuga that should rule out any  fishing of course, but as far as "life threatening?, especially in a well built 19 footer??.. Personally i have yet to see it.. I have seen it many times in salt water bays and the ocean.. Even 100 foot head boats stay in port at those times..
 There are a LOT of days, I wouldn't go out on any of the fingers, even in 25 footer, but not because it was too dangerous, and that I might not live through the day, it would simply be the fact that it would be uncomfortable, and the fishing would suck anyway..  The shallow fast  white caps in the fingers won't sink many  well designed boats, but those big standing rollers in the Great lakes and the oceans sink plenty.. safety first always of course, there we agree.... bob

geez, I regularly take a 14 footer when I don't feel like trailering my 17 center console.. This is the Finger Lakes, not the north Atlantic 200 miles offshore.. If your  18 footer is in good shape, and you have the required safety equipment get out there and enjoy yourself.. If you are really THAT worried, do as I do, and wear your PFD at all times.. I never leave the ramp until mine is on and secured, then I go out there and enjoy myself..

  there are very few days on cayuga lake  where your life would be endangered by being on the water... You might get your ass bounced around and wet, and fishing might not be comfortable, but real danger???.. I have fished these lakes for 27 years in boats from 14 to 18 feet , and have NEVER once felt endangered... The waves just don't get  as steep as the ocean or the great lakes.. choppy, white caps, howling winds, yes, but if your 18 footer is of a good design its fine..  In 27 years of fishing cayuga, I have never once seen the deep troughs that can swallow the bow or stern  under green water, or cause a boat to broach... You are much more likely to simply  get some spray in your face than you are to sink in the Finger lakes..  Pick a reasonable day,get out there, and enjoy yourself..  If its so  rough that you are uncomfortable in an 18 footer,  simply pack it in and wait for a better day..... bob

 Probably early-mid  90's.. Its dark blue and thats when they used that color.. Motor runs strong, but has some issues, and should be bought by someone that can set up and repair  fuel issues on 2 stroke outboards,,

 Water pump was replaced  and the engine probably has less than 10 hours use since  it was replaced.. It  pumps lots of water, and NEVER overheats.. Lower end  oil is clean.. NO leaks..
 engine runs strong  at cruising and high speed, and has good compression, at about 120 psi each cylinder last time I checked..

 It sneezes a lot at low speed, and idles a bit rough at times, not always, but  doesn't stall after its warm..  At one point I was having trouble with no starts, and the engine cutting out ..
 Found a bad primer bulb/hoses that was losing prime, and then the bulb wouldn't even  pull the gas out of the tank... Put a different[ used] hose/bulb on and that problem was resolved.
 

 Had it out last week for a day fishing at skaneateles  and had no problems, other than it cutting out one time at full throttle, but  it started back  up instantly, and ran fine afterwards.. Have NOT checked filter or  fuel pump...

 The low speed issues need to be  taken care of, and it may have a fuel pump getting weak, not sure, but it typically starts and runs strong at cruise and above...
 I think a carb rebuild, link/sync, and possibly  a fuel pump or  NEW hose/bulb might take care of the intermittent issues..

 The  Johnson  controls are included, but  both cables are shot, and need to be replaced,another reason I am selling it cheap.. Control itself is fine, just needs cables.
 We can take it out and water test any time in the Susquehanna River...

.It   is not a bolt on the transom, worry free motor at this point, but I typically use it as is, and it gets me  up and down the lake,,, Fast!..
 Its just that its not 100 % reliable  and worry free until the low speed issues are worked out,,  and  I  had planned on  getting something smaller anyway, such as a 15 or 20 HP if I can find one..
 First $300 firm  takes it away..bob

 40 lb, Ande is very hard and stiff, and doesn't dig in to itself real well, and yes knots with it can slip.. I lost a lot of  strong  salt water  fish with hard durable mono lines, especially Ande due to pulled knots.. You might have better luck with a Palomar knot with that Ande.. line... Many fishermen don't realize that light mono knots  might break but rarely pull... Heavy stiff mono knots rarely  break at the knot, but I  have seen a LOT of them pull out  with a heavy strong fish... Improved Clinch knots are the main culprit for pulling out... Palomar won't pull out, at least never have for me.. bob

  I usually fish Skaneateles exclusively now for  SMB bass and panfish.. You can actually still put together a  real nice catch of bass and panfish with a plain old garden worm on a bobber or splitshot,  unlike cayuga... bob

  Probably go untreated.. i doubt it would be a problem if you either painted the  dry PT wood first, or simply added some grease where the wood contacts the brackets, but I would get some angry rebuttals from someone whose trailer rotted to the ground from using PT wood...

 use untreated wood, and IMHO  using some good  oil based weather proofing sealer on the wood  will never hurt.. Also I agree 100% on the slides, they are MUCH better than carpet.. They are all i use on a bunk style  trailers and they work very well.. Also, check to see if its possible to add a few  keel  rollers with brackets on your trailer..On some bunk trailers you can, others you can't.. If possible, NOTHING is better than a bunk trailer along with a few keel rollers added.. I have done it several times, and it makes launching/retrieving a pleasure... bob

 No longer for sale. Simply going to  repaint it so it looks new, and might relist later.. Please close this thread... bob

 Never mind I'll keep it... Starts  first pull every time, and runs like a champ... figured a good running little   Evinrude was worth $60 to someone.

 I was there buying a pump kit, and saw a huge pile of small outboards in the middle of the shop floor.. When I asked if all those motors were there for service I was told yes they were.. that was JUST the small tiller motors.. The place also had big motors lined up waiting, not to mention the line up of motors still on the many boats in the yard,,, they are very busy right now, sometimes its even hard to get them on the phone.... bob

 Forgot to mention the paint on the cover is crappy, but decals are in good shape, paint on the rest of the motor is  pretty good as well... bob

 All I know is that for years, if I went to Cayuga or Seneca, and tossed an earthworm into the  clear  water on a summer day, there would be good size flashes   of life coming from every direction,  shorelines were just FULL of fish life. No longer... Nowadays the water looks like crap much  of the year, and the only thing that will descend on the above mentioned earthworm are the Goby hordes..

 Skinny is not much better.. After 100 or more years of  Syracuse drinking lake water unfiltered, they are now going to have to spend a  massive dollar amount on a gigantic filtration system.. We killed these lakes with ""progress"".... bob

They have been sold locally... bob

 Just sold one here a few weeks ago [-a 1972  Johnson  2 HP ]at the same price,

Brand new water pump  impeller, installed 7/26/18... . Lower unit serviced, points cleaned and adjusted, tank and fuel lines cleaned.. Its starting and running well right now,, but the carb float, gaskets, needle valve etc are original, and the float  looked  a bit tired when I opened the carb up to clean it.. The kit with float  is in stock at most OMC dealers, and is $27. Might be fine without it, but 45 year old carb gaskets and soft parts should be freshened up... $60 firm takes it away.... Not too many running gas outboard motors out there for $60.... bob,

Guys.. here's   the current price on these Walker minis... each ...

https://www.basspro.com/shop/en/walker-mini-laker-downrigger?hvarAID=shopping_googleproductextensions.

 They are in mint condition.. I would   rather not ship them as  several folks have asked... Fedex or UPS  is a 50 mile round trip from me , and USPS shipping would cost as much as  I am asking  for the downriggers/weights... Also I am not always available to "meet half way".. Not when I am asking $50 for 2 nice little almost new  downriggers with weights... I suppose I could meet someone in Ithaca at some point, but not going to make a special trip ...  I get there on occasion, but not on any regular schedule... If they don't sell in week or two, I might ship them but the box would need to  be weighed/measured, and the buyer would need to add shipping to the cost which will  be considerable.... bob